Sinn Fein are not a Normal Political Party

Both mconologue and the green party agriculture spokesman said SF ran for cover when asked to put in a submission
on climate,
They do not have a credible climate policy.

Why?

It would only force them to face reality and it would puncture another populist bubble.

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Tubs was like a lapdog with his joke about her having a Butler, the house may not be a mansion but is very big compared to normal Cabra houses,

Doesn't Tub have little jokes with all the politicians Leo and Micheal too? Not to mention bigging up Tony Holohan AND his victim Vicky Phelan. Tubs could give Both-sides Buttimer a lesson or two.

As for the jealousy on MLMD's house and it being bigger than normal Cabra houses, her income is likely bigger than normal Cabra incomes. Yer hero Micheal Martin's house at the end of the Ballinlough Road is bigger than most houses that end of the Ballinlough Road, he has another house in West Cork, and an apartment in Dublin. Seriously jimmy your fixation on MLMD's house by comparison is hilarious. 😂
 
In a follow up to the poll in the irish times there was a piece today saying while there is a high majority
in support of unity in the south there is a strong resistance to any concessions i.e flag, anthem,

I genuinely can't understand why there would be. FFS concessions need to be made on all sides if we're to get on. It worked for the GFA and happens in any negotiations. A bit of give and take goes a long way and people can still sing AnbF and have a tricolour if they want but just to encourage a smoother transition to a UI, which is what the vast majority in the south say they want, then why on earth not change the flag, anthem etc 🤷‍♂️
 
I genuinely can't understand why there would be. FFS concessions need to be made on all sides if we're to get on. It worked for the GFA and happens in any negotiations. A bit of give and take goes a long way and people can still sing AnbF and have a tricolour if they want but just to encourage a smoother transition to a UI, which is what the vast majority in the south say they want, then why on earth not change the flag, anthem etc 🤷‍♂️
The vast majority in the south want a UI but are not prepared to compromise on stuff like the flag and anthem, Many of them will vote no
if it means the flag and anthem will be changed, Many people are incredibly proud of the flag and anthem and that trumps any desire
they may have for a UI,
 
DUP are so blinkered that they cant see the benefits of getting stormont up and running, The people up there would have the best of both worlds
They are clinging to the past which is rapidly receding into the distant memory of history and also does not now even exist.

Any concession including getting Stormont up and running is a step backwards for them and a step to the inevitable precipice of a United Ireland at some point into the future.

Economics' and a successful inclusive shared future does not beat their attachment to a United Kingdom and the harder that they cling on the worse that it is gong to be for them long term.

If they were any way smart they would call for a border poll as they know that it is unlikely to pass any time soon (all recent polls have indicated) and take ownership of the future.

But no, they are just inward looking isolationists and bigots clinging to their religion at the top of their politics not unlike Ireland before it modernised into a pluralist and largely outward looking inclusive secular society.
 
I genuinely can't understand why there would be. FFS concessions need to be made on all sides if we're to get on. It worked for the GFA and happens in any negotiations. A bit of give and take goes a long way and people can still sing AnbF and have a tricolour if they want but just to encourage a smoother transition to a UI, which is what the vast majority in the south say they want, then why on earth not change the flag, anthem etc 🤷‍♂️
There are days I simply don't understand your posts.

There is a game afoot. Reunification advocates are losing it massively. Not because of the Ipsos poll or what we would or wouldn't be prepared to concede on.
It's reacting to this stuff. The first job is to get the planning started. At the moment there is block on that from all sides except from the civic movement. Until that changes the only coverage on this will continue to be along the theme tune of "now is not the time" or "it will never be the time". So every time a poll like this one comes out it will be pounced on and the media will go to town on it. That's fair and reasonable from that viewpoint.
Every time you get an Ashcroft type poll - you will get paradoxically get the "it's just an outlier", "dubious polling source" etc etc.

There are a few things coming into confluence right now. 1) SF have polled at 30-35% for a long time now. 2) Irrespective of the likelihood of it happening, the prospect of SF in government in Dublin has galvanised those who don't want reunification to happen across the media, public discourse and of course its political opponents on both sides of the border. That is to be expected. 3) Cost of living crisis focusing minds on the euro in the pocket. 4) recovery from the pandemic.

And much as I might laud Shared Ireland Podcast, Think32 and other movements, Ireland's Future is the ONLY active movement trying to go about bringing controlled, open, agreed constitutional change on the island and some of them are being attacked for it.

This is going to take time. If for no other reason than the evidence for, justification for, undeniable democratic requirement for reunification will take some time to arrive. So any polling asking what people are prepared to concede or compromise on right now is as valid as any poll claiming 50% to 27% as some kind of victory. It is for a purpose. And the interpretation of both proves it.

Posted many times and it is increasingly being pointed out by Brian Feeney and other commentators in the North - our view of the issues, our view of the plight of nationalists for the last century, our view of even what constitutes the Irish nation has been completely warped by the troubles and the PIRA campaign such that any acknowledgement of or advocacy for a 32 county Ireland, which is what Collins fought for in the war of independence, is seen as anything from tacit support for to out right justification of that PIRA campaign and therefore to be shunned accordingly. You can see evidence of it every day in this thread.

Reunification should be done properly. It should include planning, discussion and agreement ideally in advance of a BP but cannot be stalled for the lack of willing engagement. The reality on the ground is that a BP held at the end of the decade will pass or fail by Brexit margins. A BP planned for and executed properly will pass safely enough. That reality is something that is being ignored in the hope if it is not discussed it will just go away and it won't - and it won't because our troubles happened 100 years ago but for the nationalist population their wish for freedom, no less justified than that of Collins or Tom Barry who we seek to commemorate has never been realised. I don't wish to assimilate anyone, I don't want to take away their Britishness, I understand that there is 800-900,000 people on the island who wish NI to stay part of the UK and they must be treated with respect and brought into a new agreed Ireland with a level of rights and freedoms that they systematically denied nationalists for a century. The GFA is the mechanism to achieve that.

Over the next few years I believe the rearguard action will intensify on both sides of the border because the change that is coming is inevitable.

We can bring about that change constructively, positively, including not marginalising, we can notionally build an entirely new Ireland based on rights as envisaged in the proclamation - in that Ireland, when the time comes, people will embrace a new symbology and a new identity but it is going to take time.
 
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