Cork u20 Hurling 2024

[Pooman]

I don't believe there is a conspiracy or anything like that. I just think there is a wild fluctuation in the quality of refs currently.

Most of the refs to be fair are fairly decent. James Owens is an exception in my opinion, just think he is dreadfully inconsistent. Malone last night was horrendous, as poor as I've seen in awhile,.

There was many reasons Cork lost last night, yes he was one of them but there is/was nothing team or management can do about it. The only thing I can think of really is that the county board convey their unhappiness with his performance back to the Munster Council and maybe that might sway a 50/50 decision our way in a game he refs in the future.

I'd much rather Cork former players and pundits played the same media game as their Kerry and Kilkenny peers ie let the game flow, Kerry pure footballers, not that sort of player etc all that narrative definitely affects refs unconscious bias and plays a role in some decisions but at the same time I'd hate to see a Cork manager be that Pat Ryan or Ben O Connor last night (he was very reserved given the circumstances I felt) behave the way Davy Fitz did last week or the way Brian Cody did after the 2014 All Ireland final.

Couldn't get over Davy Fitz last weekend. Behaving like that after a correct decision had been made. It was nonsensical.

Nobody wants PR to go down the psycho Davy Fitz route but I definitely want him to be similar to Kiely & Cody where their annoyance with the ref is less vitriolic but very obvious. Imo it definitely has an influence on future games and how they are reffed.

 

[DougMM]

I don't believe there is a conspiracy or anything like that. I just think there is a wild fluctuation in the quality of refs currently.

Most of the refs to be fair are fairly decent. James Owens is an exception in my opinion, just think he is dreadfully inconsistent. Malone last night was horrendous, as poor as I've seen in awhile,.

There was many reasons Cork lost last night, yes he was one of them but there is/was nothing team or management can do about it. The only thing I can think of really is that the county board convey their unhappiness with his performance back to the Munster Council and maybe that might sway a 50/50 decision our way in a game he refs in the future.

I'd much rather Cork former players and pundits played the same media game as their Kerry and Kilkenny peers ie let the game flow, Kerry pure footballers, not that sort of player etc all that narrative definitely affects refs unconscious bias and plays a role in some decisions but at the same time I'd hate to see a Cork manager be that Pat Ryan or Ben O Connor last night (he was very reserved given the circumstances I felt) behave the way Davy Fitz did last week or the way Brian Cody did after the 2014 All Ireland final.

Couldn't get over Davy Fitz last weekend. Behaving like that after a correct decision had been made. It was nonsensical.

Great post. Yeah 100% on the intent thing. I don’t think he went out there to intentionally screw Cork over but for whatever reason there was a big disparity on how certain rules were applied.

Maybe you’re right and there was an element of unconscious bias. There was a huge media furore about how physical that Cork team were in the AI U20 final last year and then you had the Buckley incident in the Clare game which wouldn’t have helped our cause. Referees are human too, so there's a good chance he was hearing this stuff about how undisciplined Cork are.

To be fair to Malone, he was a lot better in the minor match between Cork and Wexford today. There was a lot more consistency in how he was applying certain rules.

 

[Rebelsforsam1]

Nobody wants PR to go down the psycho Davy Fitz route but I definitely want him to be similar to Kiely & Cody where their annoyance with the ref is less vitriolic but very obvious. Imo it definitely has an influence on future games and how they are reffed.

Cork lost the game by gifting Tipperary a goal, from a short puck out error, very similar to the goal given to Limerick in senior hurling. When will we learn? Full forward Walsh from Killeagh looks a good prospect for senior!

 

[North Cork]

For me there is only one game that stands out for me where I thought then and still think now the referee decided to influence the result of the game and that was the 2017 Munster under 21 hurling final. The referee was very poor last night but no more than that. I don't think there was any intent to cheat Cork but maybe a referee who was given a game that was above his ability. The goal that wasn't was more the umpires fault than the referees and certainly he failed to punish the player lying on the ball as well. There certainly were another few decisions which could have gone our way but we did get the opportunities to make sure none of those things mattered and we messed up. I don’t think this will hurt the players development at all and although Tipperary are a good team I think there was little doubt we had overall better individual players. I think a player we will all now be watching is Hugh O Connor to see which sport he chooses. His performance last night was outstanding by any standard but exceptional when you consider he only had a couple of weeks hurling behind him.

 

[Harroukka]

The referee , and his umpires , effected the outcome of the game last night .

 

[Gregory_Mike]

Couldn't get over Davy Fitz last weekend. Behaving like that after a correct decision had been made. It was nonsensical.

Wasn't one of the main factors for his meltdown, the fact that the 65 was moved forward?

 

[Gregory_Mike]

Hard to fathom how two men 2-3 feet away couldn't see what was obvious to everyone. The net rippled for pities sake.

I'm not even sure these aul fellas are even watching the game half the time.

 

[Gregory_Mike]

Any word on if BOC will have another term? Him and his backroom team have done a brilliant job in fairness.

 

[Grasshopper]

I'm not even sure these aul fellas are even watching the game half the time.

The only reason I can think of is that the umpire closest to the ball had his view of the ball hitting the net blocked by the goal post stantion. Doesn't excuse the guy on the other side, he might have been fixing his pony tail. Otherwise the ref was inconsistent with his application of the rules, he seemed to be harsher on Cork, but I viewed the game with a bias.

 

[Corkonian1]

I don't believe there is a conspiracy or anything like that. I just think there is a wild fluctuation in the quality of refs currently.

Most of the refs to be fair are fairly decent. James Owens is an exception in my opinion, just think he is dreadfully inconsistent. Malone last night was horrendous, as poor as I've seen in awhile,.

There was many reasons Cork lost last night, yes he was one of them but there is/was nothing team or management can do about it. The only thing I can think of really is that the county board convey their unhappiness with his performance back to the Munster Council and maybe that might sway a 50/50 decision our way in a game he refs in the future.

I'd much rather Cork former players and pundits played the same media game as their Kerry and Kilkenny peers ie let the game flow, Kerry pure footballers, not that sort of player etc all that narrative definitely affects refs unconscious bias and plays a role in some decisions but at the same time I'd hate to see a Cork manager be that Pat Ryan or Ben O Connor last night (he was very reserved given the circumstances I felt) behave the way Davy Fitz did last week or the way Brian Cody did after the 2014 All Ireland final.

Couldn't get over Davy Fitz last weekend. Behaving like that after a correct decision had been made. It was nonsensical.

Irrespective of the fact that the standard of reffing is downright poor the smell of conspiracy has stood out for a long time in the GAA. When a ref such as Colm Lyons lets almost everything go in the 2022 AI final and then when reffing a county semi-final in Cork a week or two later the same referee is whistle happy and sends 2 Newtown players off for innocuous challenges thereby ruining the contest with the first sending off, is that not conspiracy? I've spoken with up to 4 inter-county referees on this issue, 2 of whom are retired and they all say Croke Park determines the way referees ref inter-county games v club games. Surely this is conspiracy when afterall it is the same sport and the main obligation of a ref and the organisation should be that fair play is carried out. Some of them also expressed disappointment on the rules regarding respective fitness levels of some referees compared to others and having to retire at 50.

The Davy Fitz situation was discussed on the Sunday game and Donal Og complimented the umpire on the right decision but made no reference to the umpires earlier gesticulation and the fact the umpire was guessing. The rule on placing the sliotar for the 65 was broken and highlighted by Neil McManus but he gave the impression it was like clutching at straws. I think Davy has a point and has a right to address the referee and the Clare mentor has no right to push him away. Apparently Davy didn't abuse the referee because he was exonerated from any wrong doing during the week which appears nothing offensive was reported by Liam Gordon.