No Parking = No City

Many of the Pedestrianised Streets have the central road part blocked by shelter, seating, tables. The edges are footpaths which are often uneven and often crowded or blocked with barrels etc. As a limper for the last few months, I can attest that these obstacle courses are a PITA. There is no chance of a wheelchair getting through. The more vocal City Traders are dominating the narrative. Coincidentally many of these traders have doubled the ground space of their premises, for free. EU etc. promote pedestrianisation in the vast number of flat dry cities. So our City Council apply for the same grants. No forward or even backward thinking. Moronic. The Greens and other Politicians were wrong about Diesel. IMO they are wrong again about Diesel engines. Biofuel, Kale, Hemp, SugarBeet, could be grown and essily converted to clean organic engine fuel. No new Network needed. No charging delays or distance limitations. Diesel engines are tiny efficient and Eco friendly. https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and...on-the-cusp-of-a-biofuel-revolution-1.4747829 But Stalky objects, while remaining Parked out at Black Ash, hopeful of the Ride.
 
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Most of the streets pedestrianised since Princes St North was made traffic free in the early 1970's had traffic and parking.
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Apart from the local area development plans, planning applications, public consultations with the public, stakeholders, businesses, Gardai, Fire Department, Councilors, politicians at local and national level you are right of course.

The fossil fuel age is ending and we are not in Kansas anymore and we have public transport options, active travel, on street car parking, surface level car parks, train, park & ride, taxis as well as park and ride all day for €5.
All this talk about the city dying due to lack of parking etc dont get it. Go to any European city and who goes to the city center to do their weekly shop not a lot...Most European cities have just as much out of town mega shopping centers if not more than us where families go to stock up just like every society nowadays.

Difference is we followed the UK model and gutted the cities of old inner city communities but in Europe many cities still have a decent population mostly singletons, small families that necessitate a certain amount of city center shopping if not a lot.

With a lack of scumbags in tracksuits and good transport system its the eating and entertainment that is the big European City Center draw these days not the family shop. Until we sort of the scum and the transport who in the hell would go into town on a Saturday night unless your a teeny bopper.
 
All this talk about the city dying due to lack of parking etc dont get it. Go to any European city and who goes to the city center to do their weekly shop not a lot...Most European cities have just as much out of town mega shopping centers if not more than us where families go to stock up just like every society nowadays.

Difference is we followed the UK model and gutted the cities of old inner city communities but in Europe many cities still have a decent population mostly singletons, small families that necessitate a certain amount of city center shopping if not a lot.

With a lack of scumbags in tracksuits and good transport system its the eating and entertainment that is the big European City Center draw these days not the family shop. Until we sort of the scum and the transport who in the hell would go into town on a Saturday night unless your a teeny bopper.
Cork """city""" centre right now is at about 1/4 full with vape stores as a second city in Ireland. That tells you about as much as you need to know. Not hating I used to like the city during my time in college about 16 years ago.
 
Most of the European Cities I have seen are flat with much drier weather than Cork. Corcach does mean BOG! They have people living on all stories of the buildings, unlike Cork CC which has nada above the ground floor. They have local Butchers, Bakers, Fishmongers, Vegetable and Fruit shops, on every block. They shop daily, socially.
 
Most of the European Cities I have seen are flat with much drier weather than Cork. Corcach does mean BOG! They have people living on all stories of the buildings, unlike Cork CC which has nada above the ground floor. They have local Butchers, Bakers, Fishmongers, Vegetable and Fruit shops, on every block. They shop daily, socially.
Most cities were built in river plains and marshes etc. and prone to flooding (Paris,Prague,London,Dublin etc) and flood mitigation measures with quay walls etc built over the centuries.

Try Oslo, Lisbon, Prague and Budapest etc. all very hilly in parts and even very wet.

Cork is very flat in the city centre (East-West) and with electric bikes and electric scooters etc topography is not an issue. The development of huge car dependent U.S. style suburban shopping centres on the outskirts of cities in Ireland, U.K. and U.S.A. has decimated cities with the doughnut* effect of hollowing out the central core area of butchers and fishmongers etc.

What us happening now is that more apartments and infill developments with homes are happening in the city as it evolves to a more social-retail-cultural space with businesses still thriving. RDJ recently moved back into the city from Mahon with hundreds of workers. Offices that will do well are the "A" rated buildings rather than the older offices on the Mall etc. Mahon Point etc is just sterile and boring anyway compared to the experience of the city centre with narrow streets and English Market etc.

The doughnut effect is often used in the context of cities, especially in developed nations such as the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom. But just like the actual doughnut is different depending whether you are eating it in Britain or the US, the doughnut effect has grown to have a slightly different meaning, depending on the city.

The definition of the doughnut effect

The doughnut effect refers to a development where the city centre becomes more hollow or empty, as businesses and people move into the outskirt of the city. This is the most commonly used definition of the doughnut effect, with cities like Houston in the US being a prime example of a doughnut effect.

The effect was first discussed in the 1960s, as the changing society meant changes in city structure. As cities develop and grow, the inner parts of the city become extremely crowded. Finding affordable and larger housing becomes a challenge and the population often starts to move towards the outer skirts of the city. As the population becomes more concentrated to the outskirts of the city, businesses often tend to follow. This creates the doughnut effect: concentrating the population and the businesses as a ring around the big city while leaving the centre of the city empty.
 
Lol, Stacky repeating the same old shite.

Offering comparison with cities that have light rail networks and/or tram systems.

Through placing significant cycle infrastructure throughout the city and removing hundreds of parking spaces and dozens of loading bays they've made town an increasingly inconvenient place to visit and do business in.

The proof is in the steady stream of businesses shutting every single month. Keep howling at the moon, 'Im right, right' with accompanying Echo articles and glossy brochure pullouts. It doesn't make you any less wrong.

'Oh you want to park outside Keanes like its 1970', 'the truth is a bitter pill to swallow', you're repeating this tripe with years.

Cork is wrecked. It is only going to get worse as they create even more choke points throughout the city. Summerhil North, The Northgate Bridge, Leitrim Street, South Main Street, all fucked for traffic. The list continues to grow.

Keep tilting at windmills saying otherwise. Pure nonsense.
 
Lol, Stacky repeating the same old shite.

Offering comparison with cities that have light rail networks and/or tram systems.

Through placing significant cycle infrastructure throughout the city and removing hundreds of parking spaces and dozens of loading bays they've made town an increasingly inconvenient place to visit and do business in.

The proof is in the steady stream of businesses shutting every single month. Keep howling at the moon, 'Im right, right' with accompanying Echo articles and glossy brochure pullouts. It doesn't make you any less wrong.

'Oh you want to park outside Keanes like its 1970', 'the truth is a bitter pill to swallow', you're repeating this tripe with years.

Cork is wrecked. It is only going to get worse as they create even more choke points throughout the city. Summerhil North, The Northgate Bridge, Leitrim Street, South Main Street, all fucked for traffic. The list continues to grow.

Keep tilting at windmills saying otherwise. Pure nonsense.
Dan as per usual rattled out of his thin skin by real world data and facts.

You can set a clock by you at this stage as Cork last week was voted one of the best liveable cities.


Cork has been named as the 24th best city in the world in terms of quality of life by the international research and data website Numbeo.

Their quality of life index found Leeside to be one of the top cities globally when their analysts looked at a range of factors including the cost of living, healthcare, safety, pollution and the ratio of house prices to income.

Cork placed high on the list of 195 cities in their 2023 mid-year report, but the company said their rankings update constantly as they get access to new data.

We're relatively on par with the cities that placed slightly above and below us on the list, but there's a notable drop in how we performed when looking at healthcare.


Cork also has a bigger gap between house prices and income levels compared to the cities that placed near us on the list, indicating the ongoing housing crisis stopped us from ranking any higher.

Dublin was the only other Irish city to earn a spot on the list, trailing far behind at number 113.

Cork remains in top 30 European cities for quality of living.​

Cork has retained it's place in the top 30 European countries to live in in terms of quality of life, beating several iconic cities to the mark.
Our city is now placed at 26 on the list, and despite having fallen five places from this time last year, Cork is still the best city to live in in Ireland.

The list, published this month by Numbeo, a website which compares cost of living globally with user-generated data, has ranked Zurich in Switzerland as the city with the highest quality of life at present.
Cork's quality of life index now lies at a "Very High" 166.53, with Zurich scoring 196.51. Dublin meanwhile has scored 137.25 - falling thirty places below Cork at 56th.
Cork has also ranked higher than Dublin in terms of safety, property to price income ratio, traffic commute time, and pollution.
Some other European countries that Cork has beaten include: Oslo, Prague, Lisbon, Madrid, Brussels, Barcelona, London, Budapest, Athens, Milan, and Moscow.

According to the site, Cork's average monthly salary after tax is €2,481.64, with a family of four's estimated monthly costs priced at €3,090.99 without rent, a figure that stands at €863.83 for a single person
 
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