Cork Hurlers - Part 2

[red&blue]

Shane

I watched first 75 minutes there again. I thought Brian Hayes had an excellent 40 minutes. He seemed to be starved of possession after that.
Twomey came in and Fitz went centre forward and Barrett to the wing.
Whatever happened after that he didn’t seem to be getting on the ball.

Duggan caused us alot of problems for the second half.

Brian Hayes was flying but Clare realised he was our only puckout option with 20 minutes to go and they just shut him down

The lack of ball winners in the half foward line once Seamie and Deccie went was fcuking alarming again. It has to be addressed for next year

The Clare goals are a sign we are not yet right at the back. Rob Downey was superb on Sunday especially on the wing but Kelly and O Donnell breezed past him too easy for the goals. Sean O Donoghue needs to move in with Wayne Sherlock for the winter and learn how to stand a man up when danger is in the air. Mark was cleaned in the air for the Kelly goal too

I wouldn’t be putting the blame on anyone though. There are a million incidents in any game and no one decision was to blame. Sunday was a superb performance in a character sense. Small improvements in everyone will see a huge improvements in the collective

 

[TheRebelRoar]

This is a shit-take.
Had Cork deployed same cyncical tactics as Claire, we would have seen black and red cards. No doubt about it.
We are simply not allowed play with the same physicality/aggression/cynicism that other teams are ALLOWED to play with against us.
This has been going on for years and years in both codes.

Are you saying the referees have a bias towards every team we play.
I've watched both Cork teams in many grades and codes over the years and can't agree with that.

 

[archrebel]

This is a shit-take.
Had Cork deployed same cyncical tactics as Claire, we would have seen black and red cards. No doubt about it.
We are simply not allowed play with the same physicality/aggression/cynicism that other teams are ALLOWED to play with against us.
This has been going on for years and years in both codes.

Yep, said this before, we seem to be refereed differently by pretty much every ref. We are probably the cleanest team in hurling so hard to understand how we got most red and black cards in Munster. That pull across Barrett's head not even being a free is incomprehensible, and would undoubtedly be dealt with differently if it was the other way around. Also pretty much finished Shane for the rest of the game. This wasn't a subtle foul, it happened in broad daylight in front of 82k people 1 referee and a very close linesman. Probably Murphy's worst dereliction of duty on the day. Missed 65 probably umpires fault and he was probably blindsided for late jersey tug. Job done Conlon.

 

[TheRebelRoar]

Really? Like Limerick did to Kingston far up the pitch?
Or Hayes in the SF?

Too easy to say that Rodgers or Kelly should have been flattened, by the time our defenders caught up with them they were too close to goal.
These Cork lads saw black cards for this early in the season, both for and against them.
Now it's maybe likely that Murphy would not have doled out a card if Rodgers or Kelly had been grounded but would you be sure enough of that to take the chance?
Being reduced to 13 and 14 early in season leaves it's mark.

Sidenote- did we get the most red cards of any team in Munster?

Good post and correct, i find comments like Limerick would have done this or it wouldn't have happened against Kilkenny shows a distinct lake of knowledge of how hurling was reffed this year.
The penalty black card has scared players and management alike.

 

[red&blue]

Ah Extra time is the right thing. All finals across most sports are decided with extra time. Between club player diary’s, inter county players holidays and time off work it should be decided on the day.

Tommy Walsh speaking on off the ball was good on it the concept of Replay vs Final and how from a player perspective it should be done on the day.

Tough to take when your on the wrong side but certainly the way it should be in my view.

I’m not bitching about extra time because we lost, I’m bitching because a lot of lads were out on their feet after normal time, I just think it’s unfair on amateur players to expect them to go again after that unbelievable 70 minutes

 

[red&blue]

Christ almighty - Harnedy consistently one of our best players, Shane Barrett in hurler of the year contention and Dalton who took Kyle Hayes out of the SF - and ya want to dismantle it after issues were exposed in the final.

No doubt that Barrett and Deccie have had better days but neither deserve to be part of some dismantling operation.

The predominantly long high ball strategy is high risk for any team - that's why Limerick evolved and perfected the possession based move it through the lines style, which saw them dominate hurling for the best part of 7 years.

Our predominantly long ball tactic is all of 3 months old and was born as a high risk high reward strategy to save our season. It's going to take longer for us to evolve our way of playing to ensure that we can mitigate the high risk of sending it high and long to get fast ball into our forwards.

You also have to credit the Clare backs for the display they gave, though I would say that our style in this instance played into an area of real strength for them, fielding high ball is their bread and butter.

In essence we gambled on targetting a strength of theirs in the expectation that we'd mine enough goal chances off fast delivery to that line.
It clearly did not turn out that way.

Ironically the goal that we did score came from a player running from our own half. And late in the game, both Robbie and Jack could have had better outcomes if both had driven further before shooting. At the very least they could have forced some rash defending from Clare if they'd continued their runs. We saw how that worked for Kingston v Limerick

Heard Jamie Wall comment on the long puck outs after the Limerick game and he was adamant that though it worked spectacularly that night, we absolutely needed to have it in the locker to vary it.

Fantastic post

Writing anyone off because of age is ridiculous when you see how well seamus has played all year you can’t be putting his head on the chopping board but at the same time we need a few wing foward options cause there’s not 70 minutes in him anymore with the game he’s asked to play

I wouldn’t be dismantling anything about our team, one or two additions and a plan b to our long ball game and a proper use of our substitutions and we will be very hard to beat next year

 

[Twiceasnice97]

?
Bollox.
Honan hit him first and SON reacted.

technically true but honan bumped o neill and o neill hit him across the head
yellow and red but gavin bottled it.

 

[red&blue]

Anyone calling for Deccie or Shane to be dropped hasn’t a bulls notion what they have been watching

Both a vital parts of what we will be doing next year.. Barrett is exactly what cork hurling needs, he will have learned a massive amount from what happened him in that final and will be better again for it next year

Well said honky

 

[Come off the stage]

Have to say Conor Lehane is a good egg. Up in CUH today visiting the children when he could have easily thrown the toys out of the pram getting no game time over 90 mins Sunday. A decade of service given to Cork deserves a lot of respect

 

[Twiceasnice97]

Watched it back last night ,1 thing i didnt notice during the game was before the throw in for the 2nd have some of the clare forwards were in deep conversation with the umpires at the hill 16 end, the same umpires that saw no 65 or penalty.

A far more scary individual had a word as well. Watch that clip again