Save Marina Park !

[SaveMarinaPark]

But, the Board cannot make a decision on a planning application on the basis of the defects of another application, which is procedurally and legally separate. The Park project is a Part 8 process [am i correct in this btw?] and the Board have no jurisdiction there i.e. they are not being asked to make a decision on the Marina Park scheme, nor can they. The Board cannot refuse the PuC scheme on the basis of the Marina Park process being incomplete by virtue of the absence of an EIS. It simply can't happen.

The red line of the GAA development is in the Marina Park.
The Marina Park includes parking, access and flood management (increasing the size of the Atlantic Pond) all essential to the stadium. The marina park part 8 includes the removal of the watercourse north of the stadium and the inclusion of a pumped water system between the two pitches so that altantic pond water is used to maintain circulation in the southern watercourse, this is to prevent stagnation in the southern watercourse.

 

[Rebelred]

The red line of the GAA development is in the Marina Park.
The Marina Park includes parking, access and flood management (increasing the size of the Atlantic Pond) all essential to the stadium. The marina park part 8 includes the removal of the watercourse north of the stadium and the inclusion of a pumped water system between the two pitches so that altantic pond water is used to maintain circulation in the southern watercourse, this is to prevent stagnation in the southern watercourse.

Genuine question here, at this time, are there actual plans for the Park to be developed by the City Council? Or just the usual promises that they'll get to it eventually

 

[mire]

The red line of the GAA development is in the Marina Park.
The Marina Park includes parking, access and flood management (increasing the size of the Atlantic Pond) all essential to the stadium. The marina park part 8 includes the removal of the watercourse north of the stadium and the inclusion of a pumped water system between the two pitches so that altantic pond water is used to maintain circulation in the southern watercourse, this is to prevent stagnation in the southern watercourse.

Unless the red line in the PuC planning application covers the entire Marina Park site [which is cannot as the red line has to correspond with the ownership], then the Board cannot refuse the PuC scheme because of a procedural issue with an adjoining scheme. However, they could refuse it for other reasons which might address some of the wider issues you mention, such as [ahem] the proposition the redevelopment of the stadium is premature pending the city council's commitment to the Park project being confirmed [in the same way the the Port of Cork were refused the initial port expansion on the basis of a lack of commitment from the NRA to upgrade the N28] or that the development would represent the piecemeal or uncoordinated development of this part of the city.

TBH, the parking, flooding, access issues are not the big issues, as thay are all technical issues that have technical solutions. The big issues are the principles of the scheme, the strategic impact of the scheme on the delivery of the Park, the less-than open manner of the disposal and rezoning of lands acquired using public money, and so on.

 

[SaveMarinaPark]

Unless the red line in the PuC planning application covers the entire Marina Park site [which is cannot as the red line has to correspond with the ownership], then the Board cannot refuse the PuC scheme because of a procedural issue with an adjoining scheme. However, they could refuse it for other reasons which might address some of the wider issues you mention, such as [ahem] the proposition the redevelopment of the stadium is premature pending the city council's commitment to the Park project being confirmed [in the same way the the Port of Cork were refused the initial port expansion on the basis of a lack of commitment from the NRA to upgrade the N28] or that the development would represent the piecemeal or uncoordinated development of this part of the city.

TBH, the parking, flooding, access issues are not the big issues, as thay are all technical issues that have technical solutions. The big issues are the principles of the scheme, the strategic impact of the scheme on the delivery of the Park, the less-than open manner of the disposal and rezoning of lands acquired using public money, and so on.

But at this stage do the board really take into account how we got here, such as the less than transparent rezoning? The focus now is surely on good development in line with proper planning?

 

[mire]

But at this stage do the board really take into account how we got here, such as the less than transparent rezoning? The focus now is surely on good development in line with proper planning?

No they don't really have an ability to revisit previous decisions. However, if the history of the scheme is considered in context, there could be a case that the proposed development is not consistent with the proper planning and developemnt of the area - i.e. that the development is not in keeping with the overall provisions of the city council's own policy objectives for the area and will undermine strategic objectives for the south docks generally. These are material considerations. The stadium redevelopment is not the issue really, as it is provided for in policy quite explicitly, and the various environmental and techical issues are all manageable [all developments in urban areas have impacts that can be addressed]. The only contentious 'big' issue in planning terms is the centre of 'excellence'.

 

[Porsche356]

RE: Late in the day to be asking but I'll ask anyway!

The red line of the GAA development is in the Marina Park.
The Marina Park includes parking, access and flood management (increasing the size of the Atlantic Pond) all essential to the stadium. The marina park part 8 includes the removal of the watercourse north of the stadium and the inclusion of a pumped water system between the two pitches so that altantic pond water is used to maintain circulation in the southern watercourse, this is to prevent stagnation in the southern watercourse.

Does someone have a drawing specifically showing the changes to the Atlantic Pond. I would like to understand the new layout of the pond and where it is planned to make the extension. Thanks!

 

[SaveMarinaPark]

Does someone have a drawing specifically showing the changes to the Atlantic Pond. I would like to understand the new layout of the pond and where it is planned to make the extension. Thanks!

This is and early draft of the Marina Park and not the part 8 but the extension to the atlantic pond is shown on page 8 of this PDF

http://www.corkcity.ie/services/doc...wcitypark-marinapark/MarinaParkMasterplan.pdf

Area around metal bridge to be extended. If I find a copy of the Part 8 I'll post it.

 

[SaveMarinaPark]

Decision: Case has been decided, details will not be available before 02-Dec-2014
http://pleanala.ie/casenum/243384.htm

 

[Rebelred]

Full planning granted according to the twitter machine

 

[SaveMarinaPark]

Permission has been granted for both Stadium and second pitch.
Still waiting on the website to be updated. http://pleanala.ie/casenum/243384.htm

They GAA appear to have lost their appeal in relation to the provision of Public Lighting on the approach routes to the stadium.