President Trump 2016-2024 - Official Discussion Thread

[Pepe]

Oil prices fell because demand fell because of the Covid epidemic. So Trump was in fact bailing out oil. That doesn’t necessarily make it a bad thing.

Oil prices are up everywhere because of higher demand and because of price gouging.

Biden blew up Nordstream 2. ? I used to think that you were a WUM just pretending to be stupid. But now I think you’re not pretending. Are you still crying about cross dresser story time?

Ok Einstein. Tell me why Putin blew up his own infrastructure and one of his biggest bargaining chips with Europe.
Tbf it was a boss move by Biden. In one swoop he weakened Putin's hand, decimated German industry and increased gas prices and gas exports from US to Europe.

FYI - Oil demand is below 2019 levels. The problem isn't demand, it's supply ???

 

[Dr. Aaoouh]

Jesus, dude. Trump really did a number on you.

You clearly have too much skin in this game to have a civil conversation.

How can I have a civil conversation with someone who thinks that Trump is “strong” and that Biden is positively doddering? You don’t seem to have a clue about what’s going on in the US.

 

[Dr. Aaoouh]

Ok Einstein. Tell me why Putin blew up his own infrastructure and one of his biggest bargaining chips with Europe.
Tbf it was a boss move by Biden. In one swoop he weakened Putin's hand, decimated German industry and increased gas prices and gas exports from US to Europe.

FYI - Oil demand is below 2019 levels. The problem isn't demand, it's supply ???

Your idle speculations aren’t proof of anything. You’ve been watching too much Netflix.

So oil demand is down but prices are up. Hmmmm. I wonder what could be driving prices up when demand is down? Where did you study economics again? ? ?

 

[TheOutdoorThreadmill]

Jesus, dude. Trump really did a number on you.

You clearly have too much skin in this game to have a civil conversation.

 

[Jimmy the Gent]

How can I have a civil conversation with someone who thinks that Trump is “strong” and that Biden is positively doddering? You don’t seem to have a clue about what’s going on in the US.

Point out where I said Trump was strong.

I argued that his perception according to someone old-school like Putin was that he was strong. Do you understand the difference?

And the fact that Putin waited till after Trump lost the White House before he made his move against Ukraine was no coincidence.

I don't have a clue about US politics? Really? I'd argue that I'm far more objective in my analysis that some easily-triggered, cranky old yank.

 

[Dr. Aaoouh]

Point out where I said Trump was strong.

I argued that his perception according to someone old-school like Putin was that he was strong. Do you understand the difference?

And the fact that Putin waited till after Trump lost the White House before he made his move against Ukraine was no coincidence.

I don't have a clue about US politics? Really? I'd argue that I'm far more objective in my analysis that some easily-triggered, cranky old yank.

You’re not making an analysis. You’re just making assertions.

YOU claim that you don’t think Trump is strong (whatever that means in this context) but you claim to know what Putin thinks, because he’s “old school”, again whatever that means.

YOU assert that it’s no coincidence that Putin waited until after Trump lost the election, your only evidence being that Putin attacked now rather than earlier. There’s many, many other things that Putin would have to consider when timing an attack, but you are privileging his consideration of who the president might be.

Finally, Putin is doing poorly in Ukraine. You don’t demonstrate that he would be doing even worse if Trump were president, except to assert that he would not have attacked at all if Trump was in power for “reasons”.

So do some actual analysis if you want an actual discussion. Your silly comments on Biden alone tell me that you don’t know what’s going on here.

 

[Pepe]

Your idle speculations aren’t proof of anything. You’ve been watching too much Netflix.

So oil demand is down but prices are up. Hmmmm. I wonder what could be driving prices up when demand is down? Where did you study economics again? ? ?

 

[Dr. Aaoouh]

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Cool slide, bro.

So in wingnut world where you live, prices go up when demand goes down?

Are you lying awake nights worrying about drag queens doing story time in public libraries? Get some sleep. You need it.

 

[Jimmy the Gent]

You’re not making an analysis. You’re just making assertions.

My analysis is of the mind-set of both Trump and Putin and how this affects their individual strategies. You, on the other hand, are just asserting that Putin would have invaded Ukraine even if Trump won a second term - which I disagree with. This central disagreement has set you off bigly. You have zero evidence for your claim, whereas mine is supported by the fact that he waited till after Trump lost to make his move on Ukraine

YOU claim that you don’t think Trump is strong (whatever that means in this context) but you claim to know what Putin thinks, because he’s “old school”, again whatever that means.

Again, I never argued that Trump was or wasn't strong. I argued that his perception in Putin's eyes was that he was strong. I really don't understand why you struggle to understand this point. It suggests that you are so blinded by your hatred of Trump and the Republicans that you can't assess things objectively.

YOU assert that it’s no coincidence that Putin waited until after Trump lost the election, your only evidence being that Putin attacked now rather than earlier. There’s many, many other things that Putin would have to consider when timing an attack, but you are privileging his consideration of who the president might be.

I never said it was the only reason. Of course the state of Nato's perceived strength was a factor in Putin's decision. I would argue that whoever was in charge of the US at the time of his invasion was of greater importance to him when deciding if or not to invade.

Finally, Putin is doing poorly in Ukraine. You don’t demonstrate that he would be doing even worse if Trump were president, except to assert that he would not have attacked at all if Trump was in power for “reasons”.

Russia's military performance in this war is a separate discussion. My point was that he wouldn't have invaded in the first place.

So do some actual analysis if you want an actual discussion. Your silly comments on Biden alone tell me that you don’t know what’s going on here.

If I had known that my comments about Biden would have set you off I would have left them out. He seems like a nice man and definitely more affable and decent than Trump. Sadly, though, he comes across as someone who should be in an old folks home.

So, tell me this.. If Trump was truly such a Putin supporter and truly anti-Ukraine when he was President, why didn't Putin invade then? Surely that would have been the optimal time, no?

 

[Dr. Aaoouh]

My analysis is of the mind-set of both Trump and Putin and how this affects their individual strategies. You, on the other hand, are just asserting that Putin would have invaded Ukraine even if Trump won a second term - which I disagree with. This central disagreement has set you off bigly. You have zero evidence for your claim, whereas mine is supported by the fact that he waited till after Trump lost to make his move on Ukraine

Again, I never argued that Trump was or wasn't strong. I argued that his perception in Putin's eyes was that he was strong. I really don't understand why you struggle to understand this point. It suggests that you are so blinded by your hatred of Trump and the Republicans that you can't assess things objectively.


I never said it was the only reason. Of course the state of Nato's perceived strength was a factor in Putin's decision. I would argue that whoever was in charge of the US at the time of his invasion was of greater importance to him when deciding if or not to invade.


Russia's military performance in this war is a separate discussion. My point was that he wouldn't have invaded in the first place.


If I had known that my comments about Biden would have set you off I would have left them out. He seems like a nice man and definitely more affable and decent than Trump. Sadly, though, he comes across as someone who should be in an old folks home.

So, tell me this.. If Trump was truly such a Putin supporter and truly anti-Ukraine when he was President, why didn't Putin invade then? Surely that would have been the optimal time, no?

No. I explained my position. You merely asserted yours. And the reason you have is that you can’t prove what someone’s “mindset” is. You have no access to it.

Part of your problem is that you attribute too much to emotion. You may be telling us something about yourself. I wasn’t “set off” by your comments on Biden. I’m just pointing out that they are simplistic and wrong. Biden makes gaffs. He is old and certainly should not run again. But he has been remarkable effective in policy making, given what he has to work with. Trump spouts nonsense. Part of this is age but the larger part is his (utter lack of) character.

In any case, to say it again, unless the US was a dictatorship under Trump (he tried, but failed) he had a Democratic Congress. So whatever he thinks of Putin, he could not throw the US behind him. Insofar as Putin took the US into account, I think that it’s more likely that he thought that Trump might wins second term and get a Republican Congress. This did not happen, so he invaded anyway, vastly overestimating his ability to knock out Ukraine quickly. The all has to do with the real makeup of Russian politics and military and little to do with some “mindset” about Biden.

Your statement that part of your “proof” is that Putin invaded when Biden was president is pretty stupid to be honest. I hope someone told you in school that correlation does not necessarily mean causality.