No Parking = No City

[Stacky]

More copy and paste. Have you any thoughts that are your own?


Yeah, 'Monty' a guy who is co owner of a pub on Princes Street is happy with free outdoor seating outide his premises. What an impartial revelation that is.

We've already heard from several posters here about the inconvenience of trying to navigate the footpaths on Princes Street since this was introduced. Not to mind the problems posed for wheelchair users.

Id like to hear from the likes of Cork Art Supplies and Ger Mccarthy glassware and trophies as to how Rue Princes has effected the footfall of their businesses.



All of which is besides my point.

I will ask you one last time (you won't answer of course)


1)How has the removal of vast swathes of onstreet parking and loading bays improved business in the city centre?

2) How has creating choke points at numerous traffic arteries throughout the city improved business in the city.

1.Increased footfall back to pre C-19 levels and spend. Businesses open and close all the time as trends develop (Gamestop selling physical product that is available online for example) while others get sold and re-developed, Easons, Debemhams,Penneys and Savoy expansions as well as Finns Corner etc.)

2. Traffic issue mitigated against by providing a by-pass of the city and better public transport and active travel options in an 800+ year old city with rivers and narrow streets not designed for cars. There are many ways to get to the city centre without cars which already have parking options all over the city.

Any facts, Stats and data yet Dan for your future car dependent successful thriving city?

Thought not.

 

[Stacky]

Wut? What posters said that? The footpaths are clear on Princes Street.

It was much easier to walk down Princess St with car parking and traffic apparently.

 

[ThatFella]

Yeah, the usual avoidance of questions you don't fancy with a false equivalence thrown in and more insults.

'Plenty of transport options'/streete  parking, lol. 'Copenhagen' , yeah totally comparable to Cork. 'Victor Meldrew', ho ho ho.

Get back to me when you fancy talking like a grown up.

He was the same yesterday with me when he misunderstood my points and came at me. I gave him facts, he stopped replying as he knew he couldn’t win.
All the copy and paste about completely irrelevant points that have nothing to do with the discussion.
1. I’m delighted with some of the pedestrianised streets I enjoy outdoor dining.
2. I’m delight we’re listed at number 24, not sure how but I’ll take it.

You’re using those points to gloss over all the problems.

All you have to do is walk through town on a Saturday when town is supposed to be busy. All you’ll see is all the closed down shops, buildings in ruins. Signs on closed places saying they’ve relocated out of city. And lack of choice and quality.
Another thread of Cork City is gone to the dogs will also show how bad the place is gone. There’s more hassle and trouble makers than shoppers.

 

[Stacky]

He was the same yesterday with me when he misunderstood my points and came at me. I gave him facts, he stopped replying as he knew he couldn’t win.
All the copy and paste about completely irrelevant points that have nothing to do with the discussion.
1. I’m delighted with some of the pedestrianised streets I enjoy outdoor dining.
2. I’m delight we’re listed at number 24, not sure how but I’ll take it.

You’re using those points to gloss over all the problems.

All you have to do is walk through town on a Saturday when town is supposed to be busy. All you’ll see is all the closed down shops, buildings in ruins. Signs on closed places saying they’ve relocated out of city. And lack of choice and quality.
Another thread of Cork City is gone to the dogs will also show how bad the place is gone. There’s more hassle and trouble makers than shoppers.

1. Dereliction issue and lack of enforcement by Building Control at Cork City Council. The only "Ruin" on Patrick St has been sold last week and is being re-developed.

2.Policing issue with the Guards etc which has been lax in moving zombie begging druggies off the streets etc.

3. The city centre is not just for shoppers as people work there and do many other activities than shop like socialising and all those retailers who pay high rates and insurance are always brought along with any new street improvements etc. All cities have vacant units post C-19 but people want a thriving city centre and be able to drive to Wilton and Mahon Point etc. a swell as online shopping options.

Cork is far from perfect but is is a whole lot better than it was 10 - 20 years ago and the Council are asleep at the wheel on many issues.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

1.Increased footfall back to pre C-19 levels and spend. Businesses open and close all the time as trends develop (Gamestop selling physical product that is available online for example) while others get sold and re-developed, Easons, Debemhams,Penneys and Savoy expansions as well as Finns Corner etc.)

2. Traffic issue mitigated against by providing a by-pass of the city and better public transport and active travel options in an 800+ year old city with rivers and narrow streets not designed for cars. There are many ways to get to the city centre without cars which already have parking options all over the city.

Thanks for eventually engaging with my questions.


1.) 'Debemhams', never heard of it m8.
You use the gamestop argument quite a lot. That's fine with a product like a hard copy of a computer game but does it work for a sandwich seller or a sushi stall to sell their perishable product online?

You've also ignored the difficulty in trading created by the removal of loading bays to facilitate cycle lanes. Its poor planning and ignored established businesses and their needs.


2. I dont accept that there are adequate public transport options to facilitate a blanket move away from car travel. Much less to remove almost all spaces withing a 20 min walk of town ( the bus connects plan is a disaster).


Now see, we have the basis of a discussion there.
Only took three hours

 

[ThatFella]

1. Dereliction issue and lack of enforcement by Building Control at Cork City Council. The only "Ruin" on Patrick St has been sold last week and is being re-developed.

2.Policing issue with the Guards etc which has been lax in moving zombie begging druggies off the streets etc.

3. The city centre is not just for shoppers as people work there and do many other activities than shop like socialising and all those retailers who pay high rates and insurance are always brought along with any new street improvements etc. All cities have vacant units post C-19 but people want a thriving city centre and be able to drive to Wilton and Mahon Point etc. a swell as online shopping options.

Cork is far from perfect but is is a whole lot better than it was 10 - 20 years ago and the Council are asleep at the wheel on many issues.

1. But yesterday you were praising the council and the planners for all their good work but today they’re not doing their jobs?
You listed one ruin/redevelopment how much buildings are sitting idle?

2. I wouldn’t say policing has been lax, I’ve seen them being moved on, arrested for begging or for their own safety. The issue is the amount of them, the gaurds can’t store everyone in cells and there’s more crime/incidents the Gaurds have to respond to.

3.Take out your big chains such as Lifestyle, JD, Brown Thomas, Opera Lane, Penny’s and the various Suits and Dresses vendors, there’s a serious lack of quality stores and even with the chains their choice is very poor compared to the exact same store operating in Dublin. The reason is again convenience there’s nearly better bus services to Mahon and Wilton if living on the southside than there is to town with same shops there. Also the convenience of parking at these centres. Plenty of parking for families, people with accessible needs and most importantly safety cars are not travelling huge speeds through shopping centres.

From my opinion shopping wise town was 100% better 10 years ago.
Not all traders are happy how much family business have we lost being closed down or sold. How many traders have relocated.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Wut? What posters said that? The footpaths are clear on Princes Street.

EnnisY for one. Hes in Cork more than the rest of us.

One or two others have mentioned it.

 

[Stacky]

1. But yesterday you were praising the council and the planners for all their good work but today they’re not doing their jobs?
You listed one ruin/redevelopment how much buildings are sitting idle?

2. I wouldn’t say policing has been lax, I’ve seen them being moved on, arrested for begging or for their own safety. The issue is the amount of them, the gaurds can’t store everyone in cells and there’s more crime/incidents the Gaurds have to respond to.

3.Take out your big chains such as Lifestyle, JD, Brown Thomas, Opera Lane, Penny’s and the various Suits and Dresses vendors, there’s a serious lack of quality stores and even with the chains their choice is very poor compared to the exact same store operating in Dublin. The reason is again convenience there’s nearly better bus services to Mahon and Wilton if living on the southside than there is to town with same shops there. Also the convenience of parking at these centres. Plenty of parking for families, people with accessible needs and most importantly safety cars are not travelling huge speeds through shopping centres.

From my opinion shopping wise town was 100% better 10 years ago.
Not all traders are happy how much family business have we lost being closed down or sold. How many traders have relocated.

1.Curates egg- great in parts but slow and unyielding in others like all big organisations.

2. If you are depending on Guards etc it is too late as the crime has probably bene committed. Guards can only do so much but social services have to step in as do the Council as placing a homeless shelter behind a top hotel on the quays adjacent to an out of date bus station is a very bad idea.

3.Dublin is the capital city and much higher footfall etc. Do we really want to be a gentrified boring copy of that? North Face and Dune have opened up on Pana.
All buses go through the city centre apart from orbital routes. Suburban shopping centres are great and safe for families with kids. Spent lots of time there when they were younger but now the teens want to be in the city for vibrancy and variety as well as the bus option freedom.
Family business close down all the time for a variety of reasons and not just economic. but new business open up all the time also.

 

[Stacky]

2. I dont accept that there are adequate public transport options to facilitate a blanket move away from car travel. Much less to remove almost all spaces withing a 20 min walk of town ( the bus connects plan is a disaster).

Sandwiches or sushi online is yet another straw man argument.

What you "accept" is irrelevant and traders do have loading bays where possible and access + times for bins etc.


Still no sign of any facts, stats and data for your car based future?

 

[TheOutdoorThreadmill]

EnnisY for one. Hes in Cork more than the rest of us.

One or two others have mentioned it.

I suggest you try it yourself before taking his word on anything, I did, several times with a buggy and it's not true.