Men vs Women

why are the media so intent on setting one side against the other? I read the IT and there isn't a day goes by at this stage where they don't have an article attacking men for one reason or another. Mullalley and her crew practice their misandry openly and get applauded for it, now they have the likes of Malachy Clerkin jumping on board

Todays IT headline to get the week off to a good start is 'It’s shocking how men have driven women away from exercising in public' Clerkin explains how he is utterly ashamed of himself for being unaware that men have stopped women running and walking in public, so step one of his redemption from misogony is todays piece and a life time of utter shame. Apparently you dont see women out exercising anymore.. what absolute bollox

I'm out running 3 times a week in daylight and darkness depending on the day. I pass women and men regularly along my way, never paused for a second to think there were significantly more of one than the other. My missus exercises outside every single day, I would hope my daughter will feel comfortable to do so in time also. This would all be dismissed as anecdotal though

WTF is going on?
 
why are the media so intent on setting one side against the other? I read the IT and there isn't a day goes by at this stage where they don't have an article attacking men for one reason or another. Mullalley and her crew practice their misandry openly and get applauded for it, now they have the likes of Malachy Clerkin jumping on board

Todays IT headline to get the week off to a good start is 'It’s shocking how men have driven women away from exercising in public' Clerkin explains how he is utterly ashamed of himself for being unaware that men have stopped women running and walking in public, so step one of his redemption from misogony is todays piece and a life time of utter shame. Apparently you dont see women out exercising anymore.. what absolute bollox

I'm out running 3 times a week in daylight and darkness depending on the day. I pass women and men regularly along my way, never paused for a second to think there were significantly more of one than the other. My missus exercises outside every single day, I would hope my daughter will feel comfortable to do so in time also. This would all be dismissed as anecdotal though

WTF is going on?

Probably most people are just getting on with living and ignoring Malachy?
 
why are the media so intent on setting one side against the other? I read the IT and there isn't a day goes by at this stage where they don't have an article attacking men for one reason or another. Mullalley and her crew practice their misandry openly and get applauded for it, now they have the likes of Malachy Clerkin jumping on board

Todays IT headline to get the week off to a good start is 'It’s shocking how men have driven women away from exercising in public' Clerkin explains how he is utterly ashamed of himself for being unaware that men have stopped women running and walking in public, so step one of his redemption from misogony is todays piece and a life time of utter shame. Apparently you dont see women out exercising anymore.. what absolute bollox

I'm out running 3 times a week in daylight and darkness depending on the day. I pass women and men regularly along my way, never paused for a second to think there were significantly more of one than the other. My missus exercises outside every single day, I would hope my daughter will feel comfortable to do so in time also. This would all be dismissed as anecdotal though

WTF is going on?

Absolute crap, When i run i would say its a 50/50 split between men and women out running,
 
why are the media so intent on setting one side against the other? I read the IT and there isn't a day goes by at this stage where they don't have an article attacking men for one reason or another. Mullalley and her crew practice their misandry openly and get applauded for it, now they have the likes of Malachy Clerkin jumping on board

Todays IT headline to get the week off to a good start is 'It’s shocking how men have driven women away from exercising in public' Clerkin explains how he is utterly ashamed of himself for being unaware that men have stopped women running and walking in public, so step one of his redemption from misogony is todays piece and a life time of utter shame. Apparently you dont see women out exercising anymore.. what absolute bollox

I'm out running 3 times a week in daylight and darkness depending on the day. I pass women and men regularly along my way, never paused for a second to think there were significantly more of one than the other. My missus exercises outside every single day, I would hope my daughter will feel comfortable to do so in time also. This would all be dismissed as anecdotal though

WTF is going on?

Safety is a consideration for every woman I know when deciding when and where to exercise outdoors. Thats just a fact of being a woman.

I regularly exercise outdoors, I walk to and from work, often at night so i wouldn't agree at all that the attitude or actions of men stop me, but I have been cat called and made to feel uncomfortable on many occasions walking alone and it is certainly a factor for me in picking routes.

Maybe men have the same experiences, I dont know. I know it's not something my husband ever worries about and he has ran outdoors most days since he was a kid. He might get a smart comment thrown at him, but he has never felt in danger or that he needs to alter his training because of danger.

So I would guess that this article ( which to be fair I haven't read) is a kernel of truth wrapped in hyperbole
 
why are the media so intent on setting one side against the other? I read the IT and there isn't a day goes by at this stage where they don't have an article attacking men for one reason or another. Mullalley and her crew practice their misandry openly and get applauded for it, now they have the likes of Malachy Clerkin jumping on board

Todays IT headline to get the week off to a good start is 'It’s shocking how men have driven women away from exercising in public' Clerkin explains how he is utterly ashamed of himself for being unaware that men have stopped women running and walking in public, so step one of his redemption from misogony is todays piece and a life time of utter shame. Apparently you dont see women out exercising anymore.. what absolute bollox

I'm out running 3 times a week in daylight and darkness depending on the day. I pass women and men regularly along my way, never paused for a second to think there were significantly more of one than the other. My missus exercises outside every single day, I would hope my daughter will feel comfortable to do so in time also. This would all be dismissed as anecdotal though

WTF is going on?

It's astonishing that Una Mullalley is given a platform anywhere after she catfished an 18 year old gay teen by posing as a 15 year old.

'The Sunday Tribune was the worst offender with its cover story 'Open Season On Irish Teens', in which journalist Una Mullally set up a Gaydar profile as an 18 year-old called 'Davey' and when contacted by men, told them 'Davey' was 15. The responses 'Davey' got were mixed - some men wanted to have sex with him, some wanted him to get help - but the overall impression given, with the feature's bold type and talk of 'predators methods' was shrouded in nasty and unchallenged confusion. Not one gay person was approached by the paper to give comment about the scandal, something that would have tempered the tabloid hysteria of the article. Instead, the Tribune's Security Editor, Mick McCaffery, went out to meet men who contacted, 'Davey' and photographed them'.


http://tribune.ie/archive/article/20...n-irish-teens/



The fact that she was subsequently made the government's youth LGBT czar is bizarre tbh. A real doozy from Zappone.

I wouldn't waste my time reading her bilge. That stunt was crazy. Her man hating schtick is very tired.
 
Absolute crap, When i run i would say its a 50/50 split between men and women out running,

someone posted something similar in the comments section and got told that this was exactly the point of the article.. because they couldn't see what was actually happening in front of them!

I certainly wouldn't have noticed significantly more of one sex that the other either Jimmy, if anything I have been commenting on just how many people ar out exercising these days, and it's brilliant to see
 
Safety is a consideration for every woman I know when deciding when and where to exercise outdoors. Thats just a fact of being a woman.

I regularly exercise outdoors, I walk to and from work, often at night so i wouldn't agree at all that the attitude or actions of men stop me, but I have been cat called and made to feel uncomfortable on many occasions walking alone and it is certainly a factor for me in picking routes.

Maybe men have the same experiences, I dont know. I know it's not something my husband ever worries about and he has ran outdoors most days since he was a kid. He might get a smart comment thrown at him, but he has never felt in danger or that he needs to alter his training because of danger.

So I would guess that this article ( which to be fair I haven't read) is a kernel of truth wrapped in hyperbole

I just read the article.

he sees "no women out running".

Sorry, but as someone who walks a couple of miles twice a day every day (dog) that is absolute nonsense.

So yes, it is hyperbole. And yes there's some truth to it to.

The problem with the article, is the way it's set up, as described by Honky in his opening post.

It's not the fault of all men. It's the fault of some men. But the article sets it up as "all men are bastards", to quote another thread title.
 
So I would guess that this article ( which to be fair I haven't read) is a kernel of truth wrapped in hyperbole

Heres the article

It’s shocking how men have driven women away from exercising in public
For women, going out for a run brings on a spectrum of feelings, from discomfort to fear

Malachy Clerkin about 5 hours ago
I hadn’t heard of Red Car Syndrome until a couple of weeks ago, and then I came across it twice in two days. It is so called because apparently there are people who think they will stand out if they buy a red car because they see so few of them on the road, only to buy one and then start seeing them everywhere. It’s basically that thing that happens when you suddenly become aware of something you didn’t know about before and now you can’t not see it.

The prompt was a Twitter thread started by an English writer and lecturer called Dr Rachel Hewitt. “Right, I’ve been doing some reading (and writing) about young women’s experiences in public space,” she began, “and it’s made me so angry and upset that I have to share a digest with you all.” From there, she went on to detail the findings of studies from around the world that laid bare the barriers to women of all ages being able to exercise in confidence and peace.

Not to put too fine a point on it, the main barrier is men. Being among men in open spaces generates what can kindly be termed a spectrum of unwanted feelings among women exercising, from mild discomfort to outright fear. It comes in a multitude of ways, some glaringly obvious, some not entirely so. Some that most of us – most of us men at any rate – wouldn’t ever think of as being an issue.

The three young lads in your local park hanging out on their bikes would appear, to the vast majority of us, to be not a particularly big deal. Plenty of us, indeed, have been those young lads on those bikes. But study after study in country after country has shown that teenage girls are reluctant to go running in parks because of young lads hanging out, on their bikes or off them.

Some of it is rooted in bad experience, the catcalling and mindless braying that gangs of teenage boys have been known to do since time began. But some of it is simple self-consciousness on the part of the girls – the three lads on their bikes could be award-winning boy scouts for all anyone knows but, to a solitary teenage girl running in a park, they are not to be trusted.

Least safe

According to Dr Hewitt, Australian teenage girls describe parks as the least safe public space. In South Africa, 58 per cent of girls find public exercising spaces either unsafe or very unsafe. Sixty per cent of teenage girls in Stockholm wouldn’t run in their own neighbourhood. And so on and on and on.

“But mostly,” she wrote, “girls fear violence and sexual crimes from boys and men. And, across all the studies I’ve read, the teenage girls who were interviewed had direct experience, or had been witnesses to, harassment, stalking, intimidation and assaults from boys and men.

“Teenage girls have coping mechanisms for these constraints on their access to public space. Some report trying to behave assertively, to not show fear. In parks, girls are reluctant to engage in exercise and prefer to ‘walk, sit or lay down’ in innocuous places, such as under trees.”

Like the vast majority of men, it would never, ever occur to me not to go for a run because it didn’t feel safe
There followed days of testimonies and anecdotes, the lived experiences of women and girls and what they come up against in the simple act of trying to exercise. The respondents to the thread came from far and wide across the globe, women of all ages and shapes, from all sports and none. Hundreds upon hundreds of them.

Reading it would turn your stomach. Women who had been attacked was the worst of it, clearly. But a lot of it was smaller, greyer and just as depressing. Women who had felt men in vans slow down and drive behind them; women who had male runners catch up to them and then pointedly run alongside them; women who had taken to running with their headphones in but no music playing so as to be able to both ignore and stay aware of the “oi, love” brigade.

Taking photos

Women who had stopped running because men had held their phones up as they passed, taking photos. Women who had given up running in their 20s because of beeping horns and building site whistles and hadn’t taken it up again until their 40s. Women who won’t let their daughters go and run in the park, day or night.

Reading through it all, I felt ashamed to realise that all of it – all of it – was a surprise to me. I was casually and contentedly oblivious to that side of life. I have been a runner, on and (mostly) off, for about 15 years and any reluctance I’ve ever had to get out and sweat has been down entirely my own lardass ways. Like the vast majority of men, it would never, ever occur to me not to go for a run because it didn’t feel safe.

As it happened, a day or two after reading the thread, I laced up the trainers and went out for a plod. It was late in the afternoon and dusk had fallen. Out on the roads, I saw plenty of men out running and not one woman. It was the most jarring case of Red Car Syndrome you could imagine. Now, every time I go out in the evenings, I can’t not see that there are virtually no women pounding the footpaths.

Fixing something as rooted in society as this is no easy task, clearly. But the first step is surely to talk about it. Any woman reading this and rolling her eyes that an oblivious man finally realises there is a problem is perfectly entitled to do so.

Any man reading it and rolling his eyes at yet more feminist whining is ultimately part of the problem.
 
Heres the article

He claims 'study after study' to back up his claims, not citing any.

A quick search found one article from the UK, it said parents are worried about their 15 to 21 year olds running outdoors. They said dark mornings and evenings are more of a factor in people running less.

It seems Malachy is just publishing unsupported opinion.
 
Heres the article

Thanks. Yeah, it's a mixture of truth and hyperbole.

There are certainly women out exercising, to claim there arent is just idiotic.

On the other hand, I have been that teenager being cat called and it undoubtedly impacted where I walked and how I behaved. I was shouted at on a pretty much daily basis from the ages of 15 to 17 by the same guy. I put massive effort into changing my routes,my clothes, etc in order to stop it and it made me feel incredibly vulnerable if I had to walk around town on my own.

To be fair, I met the guy as an adult in a social setting and he made a point of apologising for his behaviour, which cant have been easy for him.

I lived beside a building site when I was 19, in a house with 5 other girls, and every time we walked out our front door while the building works were ongoing we would be commented upon.

It would be idiotic to pretend that that stuff doesnt happen either.

So no, not all men, not even most men. But enough men for most women to have experiences of feeling unsafe that they can call to mind easily.
 
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