Immigration Thread

I think our policy is the opposite of racism. We are way too soft on who we let into our country and the asylum seekers know that and even my poor old boomer mother knows it at this stage. But unfortunately there are no good political parties left to vote for. The three stooges FF, FG and SF and all cut from the same cloth tbh. No difference. Who do you vote for. It makes no difference. The 3 main parties are one in the same tbh


Irish political parties have badly miscalculated in thinking frustration with our immigration policies is confined to some fringe far right.

A recent Irish Independent opinion poll saw 28% of those surveyed state immigration is a major election issue for them. This is up from 14% in a similar poll from Sept 21. The appetite for a tougher stance on immigration is clear.

The main political parties FG, FF & SF are clearly in denial but there is a vote there for a party who will offer policy more in line with other European nations.

In Sweden the anti immigration Sweden Democrats are now the 2nd largest party.
They too saw anti immigration sentiment as confined to the far right until it translated into votes and

AfD in Germany with anti immigration policy has polled with 20% of the vote making it the 2nd strongest political force

Meloni has become the PM in Italy running on a strong platform of Anti immigration.

The Dutch recently made the Freedom party the largest party in parliament with a platform of closing their borders to refugees.

The Swiss peoples party became the second largest party in their lower house of Parliament. Again they ran on a policy of restricted immigration.

In Britain Brexit and the Conservative party tapped into voters concerns about immigration.


Its naive in the extreme not to expect a similar shift in this country. It will happen. Either one of the main parties will shift to the right or a new political entity will fill the void. Varadkar and co. can continue to bleat about the far right and try to control the Internet (lol) as public disquiet about their failing policies grows.

They seem to be under the delusion that restricting freedom of expression with their unwanted hate crime bill is going to do anything but turn away voters.
 
Irish political parties have badly miscalculated in thinking frustration with our immigration policies is confined to some fringe far right.

A recent Irish Independent opinion poll saw 28% of those surveyed state immigration is a major election issue for them. This is up from 14% in a similar poll from Sept 21. The appetite for a tougher stance on immigration is clear.

The main political parties FG, FF & SF are clearly in denial but there is a vote there for a party who will offer policy more in line with other European nations.

In Sweden the anti immigration Sweden Democrats are now the 2nd largest party.
They too saw anti immigration sentiment as confined to the far right until it translated into votes and

AfD in Germany with anti immigration policy has polled with 20% of the vote making it the 2nd strongest political force

Meloni has become the PM in Italy running on a strong platform of Anti immigration.

The Dutch recently made the Freedom party the largest party in parliament with a platform of closing their borders to refugees.

The Swiss peoples party became the second largest party in their lower house of Parliament. Again they ran on a policy of restricted immigration.

In Britain Brexit and the Conservative party tapped into voters concerns about immigration.


Its naive in the extreme not to expect a similar shift in this country. It will happen. Either one of the main parties will shift to the right or a new political entity will fill the void. Varadkar and co. can continue to bleat about the far right and try to control the Internet (lol) as public disquiet about their failing policies grows.

They seem to be under the delusion that restricting freedom of expression with their unwanted hate crime bill is going to do anything but turn away voters.
Meloni is under the cosh due to the economic problems under her watch, so she may double down on blaming immigrants.

The Tories are in for a hammering as finally people seem fed up of them. 13 years too late.
 
Meloni is under the cosh due to the economic problems under her watch, so she may double down on blaming immigrants.

The Tories are in for a hammering as finally people seem fed up of them. 13 years too late.

Labour will get in as the economic disaster of Brexit has unfolded.

My point is that immigration control was one of the factors in the Conservatives electoral success.
 
So the 28% of those surveyed who viewed immigration control as an important electoral issue are far right abroad?

The Irish Times edited Ryan Caseys victim impact speech. They have zero credibility.

Most ‘Ireland is full’ and ‘Irish lives matter’ online posts originate abroad​

Anti-immigration phrases about Ireland feature more frequently in US and UK social media​



Conor Gallagher
Tue Dec 5 2023 - 06:00
The majority of online posts stoking up anti-immigrant and far-right sentiment in Ireland come from the US and UK rather than Irish users, according to analysis of social media traffic.
The research highlights the role of international figures on the international far right, including high-profile political commentators in the US, in amplifying Irish anti-immigration views, particularly since November 23rd, when rioting engulfed Dublin following a knife attack on children in the city centre.
Sam Doak, a researcher with the disinformation research organisation Logically Facts, examined the use of three phrases, or hashtags, in the last month that are closely associated with anti-immigration and far-right positions: “Ireland is full”, “Ireland belongs to the Irish”, and “Irish lives matter”.
All three phrases have been trending on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, in recent weeks.

[ ‘Seven o’clock, be in town. Everyone bally up, tool up’: How the far right lit the fuse of violence in Dublin ]
The analysis covered posts from most major social media platforms, including X, Facebook, Instagram and Reddit, which had geographical data attached. It did not analyse TikTok.
Regarding the three phrases, their combined use outside Ireland easily eclipsed their use among Irish social media users, according to Mr Doak’s analysis.

The research showed the use of the phrases increased dramatically, both in Ireland and abroad, once word started spreading that the suspect in the knife attack was born outside Ireland.
“Users in the UK and US were very, very highly represented. Which was strange because with hashtags that are very geographically specific, you wouldn’t expect to see that kind of spread,” said Mr Doak.
“These three hashtags have been heavily boosted by users in the US and UK. Taken together, UK and US users accounted for more use of the hashtags than Ireland.”
Other countries that saw use of the phrases on a much smaller scale include India, Nigeria and Spain.
The most popular phrase was “Ireland is full”, which was used 218,000 times by 60,000 accounts during the month. It was used by Irish users almost 32,000 times and about 33,000 times by US and UK accounts.

“Ireland belongs to the Irish” was used 105,000 times by 39,000 users. Just more than 10,500 of these came from Irish users compared with 20,000 from US and UK users.

“Irish lives matter” was used far more in the US than in Ireland and only became popular as a hashtag after the events of November 23rd. It was used in the US and UK about 7,000 times compared with just under 4,000 in Ireland.
In the case of all three hashtags, a large number of the posts could not be geographically located.
The popularity of the “Irish lives matter” hashtag in the US is likely mainly down to a post from an account on X called “Catturd” on November 29th which instructed its 2.1 million followers to make the phrase “trend”. The Catturd account, which is run by Phillip Buchanan, a right-wing online personality from Florida, has posts regularly amplified by X’s owner Elon Musk.
Irish far-right internet personality Keith O’Brien, who goes by the name Keith Woods and is another regular contact of Mr Musk, also played a major role in boosting the hashtag among his large US audience.
In Ireland, an investigation by the Garda National Bureau of Criminal Investigation is ongoing into a number of Irish far-right activists to determine if they played a role in inciting the violence on November 23rd.
 
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