Future Cork Hurlers

That's a fair bit of cherry-picking with O'Flynn there. You're citing one senior match from three seasons back, and one decision in an underage match from seven seasons back. Fair play to you for ignoring the numerous scores and fine displays O'Flynn has produced for club and county in that timeframe.
You question whether O'Flynn has the work ethic or mental strength to play at the highest level. At least O'Flynn has played at that level, and while he hasn't always performed as well as he would have liked, he has made an impact in important matches (e.g., goal vs Tipp in 2023, three points vs Galway in 2022). Is there reason to think that O'Regan has the work ethic or mental strength to succeed at that level?
What I want to know is, Who here is entitled to comment on a players mental strength.? What gives some fu.cking gowl,with no idea of anyone's mental state the right to bring this up.Just fu k up and stick to the hurling...
 
Killyoursons

What 'displays' are you referring, in the act of scoring the goal v Tipp he got injured again and was replaced? The Galway game was a disastrous performance by most of the team especially the forwards, if you wish to nit pick the 3 points O'Flynn scored you are welcome. My so-called 'cherry picking' is thoughout his career at both underage and senior, the displays you refer are not better than Shane Kingston who I have also questioned as many others on here and why would you think O'Flynn is above sub material at the highest level? He is a good hurler but we have plenty of his type and the squad and team needs to improve in personnel by about 6 to 9 players. You stating there will be very few changes is likely but it won't change the status quo.

hurley68

Deccie Dalton had a poor AI final but stood out for Fr. O'Neill's in the 1st round of the club championship, in contrast Robbie was very poor for Erins Own and seem to let a couple of fouls on him from the AI final effect him when introduced, you don't think that is relative to the mental strength of a player as much as any other aspect of a players makeup?
 
I think we're talking in circles about O'Brien at this stage, but to summarise my view: I'd like to see him get a run next year. Like you, I would have preferred him to Twomey based on what I saw of them both in that U20 team. But I am more sceptical than you that O'Brien's hurling is up to the standard required, and I could understand why a management who have doubtless seen him play far more often than I have, and who have experience coaching him, might decide to try someone else.

As for bringing younger players (e.g., 19 or 20-year-olds) to train with the seniors, it is hardly unprecedented - Eoin Downey played every league match with the seniors last year, Rob Downey played several senior championship games in 2019, and I'm pretty sure S. Twomey got league minutes with the seniors back in 2020. On which hurlers it suits, I would say it depends on a few things: their physical maturity, the short- or medium-term needs of the squad, and whether they will get regular high-quality training otherwise (e.g., a player with an intermediate club might need it more).

On O'Regan, you were impressed enough by his display against Douglas to mention it in more than one post. Other than that, he has a lot of ground to make up. The good performances at U2O which you mention were five years ago, and were largely confined to the Munster campaign that year. He subsequently lost his form and his starting place. If as you suggest this was down to discipline and fitness issues, then I hope he has overcome them both and gets to prove it in the club championship. But in terms of candidates for next year's squad, he is a good way down the list imo.
O Regan has no chance of playing senior intercounty.
If he was the most disciplined committed lad in the country he would find it hard because he made it to adult level with that wrong hand grip.
Walter walsh is going to be the last ever senior hurler with the catching hand on top and he only survived because he is a giant tank of a man with some pace.

Lads who turn the hurley in cant even get to intercounty now..

Theres a lesson there for people who dont believe it matters what way kids hold a hurley.

It does.
 
Killyoursons

What 'displays' are you referring, in the act of scoring the goal v Tipp he got injured again and was replaced? The Galway game was a disastrous performance by most of the team especially the forwards, if you wish to nit pick the 3 points O'Flynn scored you are welcome. My so-called 'cherry picking' is thoughout his career at both underage and senior, the displays you refer are not better than Shane Kingston who I have also questioned as many others on here and why would you think O'Flynn is above sub material at the highest level? He is a good hurler but we have plenty of his type and the squad and team needs to improve in personnel by about 6 to 9 players. You stating there will be very few changes is likely but it won't change the status quo.

hurley68

Deccie Dalton had a poor AI final but stood out for Fr. O'Neill's in the 1st round of the club championship, in contrast Robbie was very poor for Erins Own and seem to let a couple of fouls on him from the AI final effect him when introduced, you don't think that is relative to the mental strength of a player as much as any other aspect of a players makeup?
Check your own mental health you fu.cking ape.
 
Check your own mental health you fu.cking ape.
You should when swearing behind a computer screen at your age.

I never referred to the mental health or state of any player which you are insinuating, it's obvious you don't understand that mental strength is part and parcel of competitors in all sports.
 
You should when swearing behind a computer screen at your age.

I never referred to the mental health or state of any player which you are insinuating, it's obvious you don't understand that mental strength is part and parcel of competitors in all sports.
I played senior club in three counties.
Trained clubs at most grades
Coached Harty teams...never have I heard such bull shite as what you come up with.
Mental strength and refs is all you have to try and make your point.
Piss off
 
I played senior club in three counties.
Trained clubs at most grades
Coached Harty teams...never have I heard such bull shite as what you come up with.
Mental strength and refs is all you have to try and make your point.
Piss off
That makes 2 of us who didn't play inter-county. Do you know that your esteemed AI final ref walked off the field while reffing a club game the other week? His ego is as big as your own.
 
Killyoursons

What 'displays' are you referring, in the act of scoring the goal v Tipp he got injured again and was replaced? The Galway game was a disastrous performance by most of the team especially the forwards, if you wish to nit pick the 3 points O'Flynn scored you are welcome. My so-called 'cherry picking' is thoughout his career at both underage and senior, the displays you refer are not better than Shane Kingston who I have also questioned as many others on here and why would you think O'Flynn is above sub material at the highest level? He is a good hurler but we have plenty of his type and the squad and team needs to improve in personnel by about 6 to 9 players. You stating there will be very few changes is likely but it won't change the status quo.

hurley68

Deccie Dalton had a poor AI final but stood out for Fr. O'Neill's in the 1st round of the club championship, in contrast Robbie was very poor for Erins Own and seem to let a couple of fouls on him from the AI final effect him when introduced, you don't think that is relative to the mental strength of a player as much as any other aspect of a players makeup?
Displays in various matches, especially between 2020 and 2022. The Galway one stood out in that, in a game in which Cork's forwards misfired badly, he was probably the only one to to get the better of his man (bar Alan Cardogan in his terrific cameo from the bench). But that was by no means the only good display. As I said, he was nominated for an All-Star that season, iirc the only Cork forward nominated, and it wasn't for that one match. You're cherry-picking by mentioning one bad performance and one bad decision from games across the last seven years. I wasn't denying that O'Flynn hadn't been disappointing in certain matches in that time - I was simply saying that he has also played v well in other matches, and that by far the biggest factor limiting his impact at intercounty is his propensity to pick up injuries.

You ask if O'Flynn is better than sub material - it's a fair q as to whether he would make the first XV (I think on form he would definitely be a contender, as I said injuries are the single biggest concern I would have). But this is a v long way from discussing whether O'Regan should make next year's extended panel. And that difference is no accident - it reflects the fact that O'Flynn has had a much more substantial career, to date at least.
 
hurley68

At least you admit you're forgetful and now you prove it by asking me the same question you asked before.


Killyoursons

Alan Cadogan and Robbie O'Flynn are very similar regarding playing styles and injuries. You stating Robbie 'played very well in other matches' also applies to Shane Kingston and Jack O'Connor but not in back to back games or at a consistent level which I've already stated. At least we are getting something different and improvement from Brian Hayes, Alan Connolly and Shane Barrett. In Thurles in 2021 v Limerick Robbie O'Flynn gave up the chase and that was in the middle of the short era you deem he stood out. It doesn't surprise me you hold All Star nominations in such high regard. I'm not comparing him to Shane O'Regan who hasn't played senior inter-county, what I am saying is Cork can't keep selecting the same type of player and making excuses for them because of injuries or whatever and to go forward I believe 6 to 9 changes are required at least to the squad with about half of them changes translated to the team.
 
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