Future Cork Hurlers

Gregory_Mike

You don't think the captaincy is performance related, fair enough! The bread and butter of defending is too often missing from his game similar to Mark Coleman. Eye not on the ball and too slow to mentally react for Conor Whelan's goal in 2022. Gives away too many frees and physically doesn't always apply himself properly and misreads situations like the Tony Kelly goal in the AI final, he made too much of a run across Kelly and wasn't goal side enough and therefore made no body contact like use of the shoulder or blocking for such a physical guy.

Killyoursons

If it's 'difficult to do so' as you state then give Colin game time in the league and ensure he plays in late March/early April to come up to speed which Fitzgibbon Cup & early league games don't give, then we will all have an idea but regarding championship he couldn't be any worse than many of those who played v Waterford this year. When Cork won the 2020 U-20 AI Colin performed better than Sean Twomey, his winning of posession in the air and his solos and scores from play particularly v Tipp not to mind his sideline cuts. He was also good v Dublin in the final played in the summer of '21 until the management wrongly moved him to full-forward before taking him off. Referring to injuries of Mullins and Cunningham is fine but Sean Twomey's injury in the league has to be taken into account and I don't believe he was match fit v Waterford. I agree he should have been played v Offaly. Also I don't know of any county running mid-term project's for 18 year olds relating to their senior team, they go to the U-20 squad if they're up to it like David O'Leary, Johnny Galvin, Barry Walsh and Barry O'Flynn among others did this year and otherwise they wait until their 19 or 20 and try to make the squad. I believe it doesnt make any sense but as a proposed first for Cork who else would you have on it besides O'Brien?

I don't know why so many on here doubt Micheal Mullins, I wouldn't be comparing him to Cunningham, Healy etc., he is a stronger all round hurler than all of those, he was the best Cork player in last years U-20 championship and he was a captain who led by example. His great runs and goals scored from deep were tremendous, too many players today running in possession with no end product. He will be 22 next year and his senior inter-county career has to be given pedal to the metal as far as I'm concerned.

Not talking up Shane O'Regan on one match at all, he stood out for Cork U-20's already on a team that didn't win AI's prior to 2020. I understand he lost his place down to discipline and fitness reasons and then going through a transfer debacle doesn't help, he hadn't worked near hard enough on his fitness for Sars last year but has this year and reaped the awards in their league campaign win and their 1st round championship game. Of course his performances in the rest of the championship is key for him to be included in the Cork training panel but the thread is about who should be looked at or considered in the opinions of those posting on here.
I think we're talking in circles about O'Brien at this stage, but to summarise my view: I'd like to see him get a run next year. Like you, I would have preferred him to Twomey based on what I saw of them both in that U20 team. But I am more sceptical than you that O'Brien's hurling is up to the standard required, and I could understand why a management who have doubtless seen him play far more often than I have, and who have experience coaching him, might decide to try someone else.

As for bringing younger players (e.g., 19 or 20-year-olds) to train with the seniors, it is hardly unprecedented - Eoin Downey played every league match with the seniors last year, Rob Downey played several senior championship games in 2019, and I'm pretty sure S. Twomey got league minutes with the seniors back in 2020. On which hurlers it suits, I would say it depends on a few things: their physical maturity, the short- or medium-term needs of the squad, and whether they will get regular high-quality training otherwise (e.g., a player with an intermediate club might need it more).

On O'Regan, you were impressed enough by his display against Douglas to mention it in more than one post. Other than that, he has a lot of ground to make up. The good performances at U2O which you mention were five years ago, and were largely confined to the Munster campaign that year. He subsequently lost his form and his starting place. If as you suggest this was down to discipline and fitness issues, then I hope he has overcome them both and gets to prove it in the club championship. But in terms of candidates for next year's squad, he is a good way down the list imo.
 
Killyoursons

Well we agree that O'Brien should get a run, I understand part of your scepticism but unless he's given the chance then we will never know. This scepticism was with the previous managements regarding Declan Dalton. Regarding the Downey's and Twomey physical maturity is always a factor and sways managements in the modern game but Micheal Mullins is a superior hurler to Twomey and also showed better than Eoin Downey for Cork U-20's last year in the final. Downey played well when he became sweeper but struggled before then whereas Mullins along with William Buckley let it rip in the final and Mullins had also done same earlier in championship.

O'Regan is a good way down the list because he didn't help himself get off on a good footing especially with Sars and inter-county managements punish such behaviour and are less likely to reverse decisions or reward change in players attitude etc. Pat Ryan is also a Sars man and I hope he is flexible in this regard if of course O'Regan keeps showing good form. Shane was Sars best forward v Douglas, he was on the team of the week and look at this in contrast to Robbie O'Flynn who simply hasn't produced in a long while, it would be great to see both of them improve and show consistency.
 
Killyoursons

Well we agree that O'Brien should get a run, I understand part of your scepticism but unless he's given the chance then we will never know. This scepticism was with the previous managements regarding Declan Dalton. Regarding the Downey's and Twomey physical maturity is always a factor and sways managements in the modern game but Micheal Mullins is a superior hurler to Twomey and also showed better than Eoin Downey for Cork U-20's last year in the final. Downey played well when he became sweeper but struggled before then whereas Mullins along with William Buckley let it rip in the final and Mullins had also done same earlier in championship.

O'Regan is a good way down the list because he didn't help himself get off on a good footing especially with Sars and inter-county managements punish such behaviour and are less likely to reverse decisions or reward change in players attitude etc. Pat Ryan is also a Sars man and I hope he is flexible in this regard if of course O'Regan keeps showing good form. Shane was Sars best forward v Douglas, he was on the team of the week and look at this in contrast to Robbie O'Flynn who simply hasn't produced in a long while, it would be great to see both of them improve and show consistency.
Mullins was unlucky last year and hopefully if he stays injury-free he will get a decent run in the league, i e., not just five or ten minutes here and there.

As for O'Regan, he is undoubtedly talented but honestly, I think he's done v little since 2019 to merit making even an extended panel. The contrast with O'Flynn is actually telling - the latter has a far better track record when fit, including an All-Star nomination in 2022. He's had terrible luck with injuries, going back to his senior intercounty debut in 2018(!), but even so he has a much more substantial body of work.
 
Killyoursons

A fully fit Micheal Mullins should be immense for this team.

Robbie O'Flynn has been unlucky with injuries but I believe he is far too predictable and I would question his work ethic and mental strength to play at the highest level. After what didn't happen for him in the AI final mainly because of poor reffing he has to put it behind him and at least show he's up for the fight in the 1st round of the club championship for Erins Own. He didn't make any effort to track Kyle Hayes in the 2021 Munster Championship game, I heard at least some of his teamates were not happy. Not passing to Deccie Dalton in the 2017 AI U-20 final when a goal was on is another example. He has been 5/6 years with Cork whereas O'Regan probably won't get an opportunity with as much talent and less predictability. He is very similar to Shane Kingston and Jack O'Connor but they have done the business mere often when needed.
 
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Killyoursons

A fully fit Micheal Mullins should be immense for this team.

Robbie O'Flynn has been unlucky with injuries but I believe he is far too predictable and I would question his work ethic and mental strength to play at the highest level. After what didn't happen for him in the AI final mainly because of poor reffing he has to put it behind him and at least show he's up for the fight in the 1st round of the club championship for Erins Own. He didn't make any effort to track Kyle Hayes in the 2021 Munster Championship game, I heard at least some of his teamates were not happy. Not passing to Deccie Dalton in the 2017 AI U-20 final when a goal was on is another example. He has been 5/6 years with Cork whereas O'Regan probably won't get an opportunity with as much talent and less predictability. He is very similar to Shane Kingston and Jack O'Connor but they have done the business mere often when needed.
Poor lad has been getting almost 100 messages on instagram since the final. Apparently the content is unimaginable
 
Poor lad has been getting almost 100 messages on instagram since the final. Apparently the content is unimaginable
He has to ignore those assholes and get on with it, also one would expect his clubmates to rally him and if he's feeling sorry for himself he won't get anywhere.
 
He has to ignore those assholes and get on with it,
Hopefully, especially the ones doing hatchet jobs on him.

Robbie O'Flynn has been unlucky with injuries but I believe he is far too predictable and I would question his work ethic and mental strength to play at the highest level. After what didn't happen for him in the AI final mainly because of poor reffing he has to put it behind him and at least show he's up for the fight in the 1st round of the club championship for Erins Own. He didn't make any effort to track Kyle Hayes in the 2021 Munster Championship game, I heard at least some of his teamates were not happy. Not passing to Deccie Dalton in the 2017 AI U-20 final when a goal was on is another example. He has been 5/6 years with Cork whereas O'Regan probably won't get an opportunity with as much talent and less predictability. He is very similar to Shane Kingston and Jack O'Connor but they have done the business mere often when needed.
 
Killyoursons

A fully fit Micheal Mullins should be immense for this team.

Robbie O'Flynn has been unlucky with injuries but I believe he is far too predictable and I would question his work ethic and mental strength to play at the highest level. After what didn't happen for him in the AI final mainly because of poor reffing he has to put it behind him and at least show he's up for the fight in the 1st round of the club championship for Erins Own. He didn't make any effort to track Kyle Hayes in the 2021 Munster Championship game, I heard at least some of his teamates were not happy. Not passing to Deccie Dalton in the 2017 AI U-20 final when a goal was on is another example. He has been 5/6 years with Cork whereas O'Regan probably won't get an opportunity with as much talent and less predictability. He is very similar to Shane Kingston and Jack O'Connor but they have done the business mere often when needed.
That's a fair bit of cherry-picking with O'Flynn there. You're citing one senior match from three seasons back, and one decision in an underage match from seven seasons back. Fair play to you for ignoring the numerous scores and fine displays O'Flynn has produced for club and county in that timeframe.

You question whether O'Flynn has the work ethic or mental strength to play at the highest level. At least O'Flynn has played at that level, and while he hasn't always performed as well as he would have liked, he has made an impact in important matches (e.g., goal vs Tipp in 2023, three points vs Galway in 2022). Is there reason to think that O'Regan has the work ethic or mental strength to succeed at that level?
 
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