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Its a seriously flawed piece of legislation that is likely to have multiple negative effects on Irish society in general

Introducing punitive measures to tackle social problems will only serve to criminalise thought processes as well as actions. If we are concerned about victims then there should be more of an emphasis on education and restorative actions for victims of prejedice.

Punishing people for holding prejudices against particular groupings will not eliminate prejudice. Its simplistic to think it will and the recent attempts by government to link rioting to the need for hate crime legislation is an insult to peoples intelligence.

The more serious crimes it plans to deal with are already covered by law. To try to criminalise the hatred in thoughts and minds insted of tackling the issues of institutional prejudice is entirely counter productive. It would be far more beneficial to tackle issues of gender parity in the workplace, the integration of travellers into Irish society and LGBTQ school education than punishment for ill defined 'hatred'.


If you imprison someone for holding views you consider hateful to minorities, their views will not be challenged or somehow altered. In fact Irish prisons are full of misogyny, homophobia, racism and anti traveller sentiment. If anything this will only cement previously held views.

Michael McDowell amongst others has correctly pointed out imo that a hate crime bill that fails to clearly define what 'hate crime' is will only serve to clog the courts with unnecessary cases. Where someone can demand someone be charged not for any actual crime but for what someone may consider to be a crime.


So called progessive groups have latched onto this legislation without properly considering its impact. Its all tied up to the notion that we need to 'punish' those whose views do not tally up with our own. Its twisted thinking. You only change views through education and debate. Punishment achieves nothing.
 
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I wonder if they brought in a law against speeding without defining any speed limits, would it be accepted?
Or if they refused houses planning permission because an objector thought they “weren’t nice.”
 
I wonder if they brought in a law against speeding without defining any speed limits, would it be accepted?
Or if they refused houses planning permission because an objector thought they “weren’t nice.”
Well they did put in a massive billing infrastructure outside everyone’s house for water charges etc without knowing how much they were going to charge per litre
 
But hasn’t it got through the Dail? It’s now with the senate! That’s what I thought, hence dangerously close to coming into law. Hope im wrong though.
It’ll never stand up in court. And as well as that, it needs to be signed into law by the President who may well send it to the Supreme Court which is where I think it will eventually come a cropper, due to its conflict with ECHR
 
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