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The proliferation of cycling tracking apps such as Strava can lead to risk taking amongst users.
Strava is one of the many start-ups that's made a business of helping people collect more data about their athletic activity. The company has a smartphone app the active set can use to track their runs and bike rides, using GPS to map the route. Of course the technology has a social component. Strava users can 'compete' with other users by comparing their times on particular routes and get publicly recognized for high scores, arcade-game style. But in an arcade game, losing a life is no big deal.


Strava 'player' William "Kim" Flint got so competitive that when he lost his first place rank as "King of the Mountain" for a steep route in Berkeley, California, he raced down the road on his bike at 40 mph to try to reclaim his title. The 41-year-old electrical engineer had to brake suddenly; he flipped over a car and died on the 2010 ride, reports ABC News. Now his family is suing Strava for negligence, alleging that the company is responsible for Flint's death.



Susan Kang, the lawyer for the family, says Flint was "obsessed" with his scores, reports the San Francisco Chronicle. And he may not be the only one. A San Francisco cyclist who killed a 71-year-old pedestrian earlier this year after allegedly running a red light is also a Strava user, says the Flints' lawyer, though it's unclear if he was racing on the app at the time of the biking fatality. Kang tells ABC News that Strava "creates a wild, wild West culture where [law-breaking] is encouraged and rewarded with no warnings about the risks."

Who knew self-tracking could be so dangerous?

Sure, Strava by introducing comparative data into people's rides may be making them more competitive and causing them to take more risks than they already do. But does that really mean the company's to blame for a user's death? I, for one, doubt this lawsuit has wheels.

The family, though, claims that Strava is at fault because there were no warnings on "courses" -- courses that are set and determined by users -- that some may be dangerous. (Are we really all so data driven now that we can't actually look at a really steep hill and recognize it as terrifying on a bike?) The start-up has since changed that practice, and now allows users to flag certain routes as hazardous. The Berkeley road Flint crashed on has since been flagged and Strava no longer allows users to compete on the segment. (One user recently complained about that, writing, "This descent is EPIC! Why isn't there a leader board anymore!!??")

Strava, which has attracted over $15 million in funding, doesn't want to spend that money on legal settlements.


"The death of Kim Flint was a tragic accident, and we expressed our sincere condolences when it occurred in 2010," says Strava spokesperson Mark Riedy. "Based on the facts involved in the accident and the law, there is no merit to this lawsuit. We again express our condolences to the Flint family, but we will defend the company vigorously through the legal process ahead."

Other Stravarians, be careful! There are no extra lives in this game.
 
*ank slid into my DMs a few months ago and asked me for my phone number to prove he wasn’t who I said he was.

Completely normal behaviour.
 
There are certain competitive cyclists out there who have publicly admitted to using Strava type apps on their regular cycling trips.

Think of it this way: if you're using a satnav in your car which tracks your speed against other drivers and ranks you in terms of who is fastest over a particular route than obviously, your competitive nature will make you quite stressed, and possibly even irate at those who you feel have hindered your progress in some way.


Users of apps like this are like the "boy racers" of the cycling community. The prerogative changes from arriving safely, to arriving in the shortest possible time. This leads to claims that "speed limits don't apply to me, they're only for other people," and an extremely narrow interpretation of road traffic legislation.

When the road becomes a racetrack, all other road users become competitors.
 
There are certain competitive cyclists out there who have publicly admitted to using Strava type apps on their regular cycling trips.

Think of it this way: if you're using a satnav in your car which tracks your speed against other drivers and ranks you in terms of who is fastest over a particular route than obviously, your competitive nature will make you quite stressed, and possibly even irate at those who you feel have hindered your progress in some way.
??peak delusional
 
What do you think calling him out on here is going to achieve?

I agree he is a danger to himself and other motorists and I also agree that his behaviour is unacceptable but if you feel so strongly that he could pose a potential risk to you or your loved ones then you make a formal complaint to the Gardai.

Arguing with him on the PROC is literally going to achieve nothing except give him the attention he so desperately craves.
I'd obviously never engage with the slapless bullying prick. As for what he does for a living, that's his own business. However, because of his narcissistic tendencies and attention seeking content generation, he is the exact same as a boy racer.

And just as we don't judge all motorists on the actions of some Nissan Skyline driving moron, so we shouldn't judge all cyclists based on the actions of some speed obsessed cycling freak. Or as the lawyer in the court case which was dismissed put it, "a vigilante on a bicycle." I particularly enjoyed how he thanked the witness for his "dissertation."


So it's best to call out his moronic rantings and highlight him for what he is: a bullying misogynistic narcissistic content generating moron.
 
Ah you were listening to the radio this morning too?

Those stats are for this year only and cover the entire county.
Sherkin Island is much wetter than Cork City for example.

Cork LTA 976mm per year
Dublin LTA 757.9 mm per year

So about an extra 220mm per year.
In other words, Cork is fine to cycle in for most of the year.
"Dublin and Carlow are the two driest counties in Ireland. Cork is the second (behind kirry) wettest" would have been a clue to most people that I was referring to the county of Cork - not to you though :rolleyes:
 
Another one of your Walter Mitty-type yarns.
No one gives shite.

I get about the city just as much as you and I don't see the near-daily near-death experiences that you seem to have with cyclists..
In other words, you are lying as you don't have much else going on with your life and want to give out about something.
Some years ago it was women, now it's cyclists.

I didn't have a near-death experience with that gormless cyclist, a female driver driving east on Lower Oliver Plunkett street did. Her view of Clontarf Street was equally obscured by the green builders hoarding and she was progressing through the junction some seconds after her lights would've gone green, only to very narrowly avoid hitting a tw@t on a bike who'd very dangerously broken the lights which were red well before he even reached the junction.

You can witter on about nobody giving a sh*te while at the same time trying to deny it happened all you like. Doesn't bother me one scintilla whether you believe me or not because I saw it happen. And the fact that you've previous for claiming not to believe things that others here know actually happened puts your opinion on the veracity of events at a very low mark. :cool:
 
*ank slid into my DMs a few months ago and asked me for my phone number to prove he wasn’t who I said he was.

Completely normal behaviour.

LOL.

Arent you the person attributing me to another person? Even though I can prove to you that I am not?
Do you like living in some fantasy world? Your mental health will thank you for it when you come back to reality mate.
 
"Dublin and Carlow are the two driest counties in Ireland. Cork is the second (behind kirry) wettest" would have been a clue to most people that I was referring to the county of Cork - not to you though :rolleyes:

Yet, we are talking about public transport in and around the city.
Its unfair to attribute the wetness of the South West coast to the City.
As a so-called engineer you want to be precise, don't you?
 
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