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Cork Hurlers - Part 2

Crankycorner said:
What a match! Tipp will feel very disappointed they couldn’t see it out. Here are some positives and negatives for me.

Negatives

1. Robbie O’Flynns injury. He’ll be a massive loss for the last few games if he’s out.

2. Defending for both goals could have been much better. Cork were very open at times.

3. Until we moved to 3 man full forward line a lot of the ball that went in went straight back to the Tipp sweeper.

4. Some of the newer lads did not not play well.

Positives

1. Scored 4 goals (even if 2 of them should have been disallowed)

2. The subs that came on made a big difference. Good to see Tim O’Mahony back and Brian Hayes score a goal on his Championship debut.

3. Refused to be beaten. Even going 5 points down at several stages we never let Tipp get too far ahead (Tipp wides contributed). We showed unbelievable heart and character to get a result.

4. Still unbeaten. Although we’d prefer 4, 3 points after 2 matches is not bad going at all.

5. Stronger panel. Saw a poster say we’ve now played 24 lads in the first two rounds. There is genuine competition for places now.

6. Deccie Dalton. I’ve doubted him and said if he proved me wrong I’d say it. He certainly did yesterday!

7. Patrick Collins. Made a massive intervention at the end. Much maligned but he’s done well the last 2 weeks.

I haven’t seen a match that good in a long long time. It was tough, skilful and both have their very most to win. Even if the referee tried to spoil it! The atmosphere was unbelievable with a big crowd. I for one wouldn’t complain if we met them again later in the championship!
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Would agree with plenty above they’re cranky, but only Robbie’s steps for his goal was questionable. No square ball for Fitzgibbon.
Ball in top right corner of square and Daragh still outside it. Goal is good.
 

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morello said:
How many rucks did TOC win tonight? I reckon 5 or so? He put in a serious shift against a very strong Tipp midfield.

One thing to take from tonight:
Tipp know exactly what they’re up to, crystal clear game plan that everyone’s on same page with, we are a work in progress on that front…

But great character to dig out the point , and almost sneak it - we’re going places lads

The Hayes goal is just a beautiful thing - each contribution from the 4 or 5 players is just class
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TOC played very well, won dirty ball on the ground, distribution is excellent ( Joyce could learn from him in this area). IMO, TOC really struggles under puck outs, needs to improve this area of his game.
 
JPM said:
As before your analysis is very good.
We marked their backs on Waterford puck outs but did not do so yesterday.
Both Downeys (I’m a fan) were too relaxed on the ball. Eoin found the step up challenging but he’ll come good.
SOD will make a difference.
CJ is still learning but is also part of our future.
For all her effort TOC is not in our 15 best players.
TOM must start.
The old guys still have something to offer.
The timing of changes was excellent.
There’s great bottle in this team.
Next year’s champions?
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Fuck that, this years champions, it’s wide open now
 
The Sunday morning after a great game and overall I think I am happy because we could easily have lost that game by 7-8 points last night which would have set us back a long way. But we didn’t and that took heart and guts. We know we can always put 15 genuinely talented hurlers on the field regardless of who we pick but last night showed us something we haven’t seen in a long time. When Cork were winning in the 70s, 80s etc it looked like they were often pulling wins from nowhere in the last 10 minutes and that is why teams were so afraid of us. I think we played for a maximum of 20 minutes last night - the first 10 and the last 10 and in-between Tipp out hurled us but in my opinion that was more to do with how both teams set up than us having inferior hurlers.

A few observations :-

  1. We didn’t exploit the lack of pace in the Tipp defence ( even Dalton looked quick for his goal ) but that was because we were winning very little breaking ball around the middle and our distribution from the back was poor for much of the game so we weren't getting ball to the lads who could run at them - they were there for the taking
  2. We were mikes off our men in the middle third at times and the amount of times Tipp were able to play a cross field ball to an unmarked man was crazy
  3. We have lads to come in now and change games and it is different lads each game - Barrett was excellent the last day but Kingston came in for him and did the business last night and it could be the other way round again the next day. Not every player is going to play well every game so having the replacements to come in is critical
  4. The new lads are great additions and when they speed up their hurling a little and avoid taking ball into traffic against bigger, stronger men that can hold them up they will fly - these games will bring the likes of TOC, Roche and Milkerick on a lot. I thought for a 19 year old Eoin Downey was very calm and he will be fine also - he has the hurling ability to play wing back and that is where I would leave him. It’s a huge step up but we now have a bunch of new lads who can play at this level
  5. Tim has to start and probably at midfield as he brings physicality, speed and directness that we were badly lacking last night
  6. Meade is a very under-rated player who was a big loss to that team last night as he reads the game so well and Hoovers up so much breaking ball and does the simple stuff so well - I think it was a mistake to not start him as his game intelligence is huge
  7. We were poor under the Tipp puck outs and midfield not picking up breaks when ball was batted down either. This is where Meade excells
  8. Short puck outs MUST go to hand - Collins gave Downey a hospital ball there with 5-6 minutes to go and it dropped in front of him meaning he had to control is on the stick on the half bounce - the extra touch is all the time an opponent needs to be able to get in and turn over possession which is what happened and they scored. I thought we were dead after that point
  9. I thought Joyce didn’t look right at all to me when he came back on - I am questioning if he was able to play on as he made a few mistakes that he wouldn’t normally make and looked dazed to me
  10. Dalton was unbelievable - workrate, tracking back, winning puck outs, scoring and long distance frees - the debate on him is over - that man wants to play for Cork and by God did he show it last night. MoM surely
  11. Hayes can spread panic - I was watching the Tipp corner back when Hayes was coming on and he looked like he was about to get stuck Into him but when he saw the size of Hayes he didn’t even shoulder him ?. Throw Sean Twomey into the mix also and Cork have different options who can disrupt physically

Overall I think Ryan will be happy enough but tactically they need to up it and the set up for Clare will be critical. There is no doubt we can win that game if we prepare tactically and make sure we learn from last night - and also have the right players on the field both starting but also for the last 15-20 mins as it will come down to the wire again
 
Charley Sheen said:
No time like the present

Next year Harnedy Horgan Lehane and Cahalane will be another year older. And we know from last night they are critical to the team
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People were saying the same thing to me last year about the Barrs, that they were too young and it was a year too soon, I never believed that and I’ll say the same about Cork now. If we get out of Munster we will be very dangerous
 
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