Cork Footballers

[don]

The assumption most people on the thread seem to make is that we have the players that can compete with the likes of Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone etc - but we get nowhere because our management is rubbish.

By the time 2022 is finished, we may have to revisit that assumption...

I think what people are saying is that if we hadnt been mismanaged so badly for a decade now we could be competing at the top table. Nobody is saying we should be winning All-Irelands. From 2008-2012 we had one of our best ever teams and with proper management we could have remained competitive in the years that followed. Its a long road back from where we are now. In 2003/4 after losing to Fermanagh and Limerick it took 4 or 5 years and needed some of our best ever players.

 

[cooldude]

Fair play Shabby. That's really thinking outside the box.
I wonder if O Hanlon is recovered enough for League duty? Otherwise I like that team and agree totally
with the placing of Dineen who is a talented footballer and can kick the bloody thing.

 

[Shabby]

Fair play Shabby. That's really thinking outside the box.
I wonder if O Hanlon is recovered enough for League duty? Otherwise I like that team and agree totally
with the placing of Dineen who is a talented footballer and can kick the bloody thing.

I might have forgotten someone there. The panel is so big currently that it’s hard to remember everyone.

Hanlon is probably another while off but I’d like to think he might see the end of the league. He is a very good player for Cork. He is strong and can play.

As a team that really is short on high quality man markers we have to try use attack as the best form of defence. That means we need to try get more scoring forwards on the pitch.

 

[cooldude]

AFAIK these are the 19 players that you omitted Shabby.
Ciaran O Sullivan, Nathan Walsh, Brian Hartnett, Fionn Herlihy, Eanna O Hanlon, Diarmuid Phelan,
Brian Hayes, Brian Murphy, Paul Walsh, Tadg Corkery, Cian Kiely, Kevin O Donovan, Colm O Callaghan,
Mark Cronin, Paul Ring, Shane Merritt, Daniel O Connell, Kevin Crowley. Damien Gore (Inj)

These are the 7 players that have left the panel for one reason or another and may return later?
Daniel O Mahony, Cathal O Mahony, Sean White, Mark White, Liam O Donovan, Billy Hennessy and Tadg Deasy.

The team to play Roscommon will no doubt be a mixture of your team and a few from the above 19. They might try Dineen at No 10 or 12 and we can see your theory tested?

 

[intothewest]

There is some being overly pessimistic, some are way too optimistic here in my own view. I must say, some of the players that get mentioned or some of the possible teams that get thrown out here to be quite honest are batshit. Matty Taylor at 6 or Powter, Kevin Crowley corner back etc. If their own clubs don't play them there, why the hell would you think of putting them there at a higher level?
The best thing to say is just to recognise Ricken and co have a tough job on their hands as there's a big gulf in conditioning, skills and experience to the top teams right now. So ignore yesterdays result to a degree and just let the management get the panel sorted, address some of the issues, sort a system of play that suits, figure things out a bit.

Maguire and Hayes, maybe Sherlock and Ryan also - from Barrs will be of use you possibly when they come back. Maguire is beyond essential as I'm not seeing much in the way of midfield options that look up to the level. Bit disappointing hearing some of the players that were asked and turned it down. David Lowney and the White brothers are certainly ones Ricken would have hoped to have I would think. It could make a hard job even harder.

All this being said there is enough talent there that with a bit more work survival or better in Division 2 should be attainable. Cork should be a Division 1 team of course really but we're probably now seeing the consequences of a few years of an approach to the Cork Senior footballers that could be termed inadequate at best, moronic maybe at the worst times?

Maguire, Powter, Meehan, Brian Hurley are all good inter county players if fit. There is a cohort then who are potentially good or better: Brian Hayes, Rory Maguire has impressed me, Blake Murphy, Chris óg, Jack Cahalane, Conor Corbett when he returns, Danno Dineen possibly, Cathal O'Mahony if he can stay fit. Few others possibly. Problems with goalie if Mark White isn't there and midfield unless Brian Hayes does the job with his club colleague. Big issues in defence too. Likes of Ring, Cooper and Maguire have potential if they can improve a few things. Ring fouls too much. Cooper has had the luxury of playing in a club system that allows him to attack all the time and not defend very much. He will have seen in recent games that this isn't always going to work well. I think with a bit of work he is capable of being effective though.
Could go on and on, but most sensible people will realise there's a big job to be done and just let the management at it now.

 

[bluesball]

What did i learn from the week end
1. the Barrs must be some team as they managed somehow to beat Clon not once but twice.
If i was to pick an alternative team to that selected for last saturday and all were fit it would be
Casey
Ryan Shanley O Mahony
L O Donovan Hennessy S Meehan
McGuire O Hanlon
Dineen Corbett Hayes
J Cahalane Sherlock and O Mahony

 

[Rebel CNC]

There is some being overly pessimistic, some are way too optimistic here in my own view. I must say, some of the players that get mentioned or some of the possible teams that get thrown out here to be quite honest are batshit. Matty Taylor at 6 or Powter, Kevin Crowley corner back etc. If their own clubs don't play them there, why the hell would you think of putting them there at a higher level?
The best thing to say is just to recognise Ricken and co have a tough job on their hands as there's a big gulf in conditioning, skills and experience to the top teams right now. So ignore yesterdays result to a degree and just let the management get the panel sorted, address some of the issues, sort a system of play that suits, figure things out a bit.


Could go on and on, but most sensible people will realise there's a big job to be done and just let the management at it now.

Excellent post - last line is spot on.
S&C is crucial - Kerry looked a different species to us in Munster final last year.
Days of Weeshie (RIP) bemoaning big, strong Cork players dominating poor Kerry lads are well behind us.
Even if top class s&c programme is put in place now, it will be a couple of years before we see full benefits of it and go out and match likes of Kerry, Dublin in that area.

 

[Johnny1]

Great to see Connolly back in the panel

 

[cooldude]

Great to see Connolly back in the panel

LOL

 

[West Cork Gaol]

Great to see Connolly back in the panel

Can't see him being kept on it after his display last Saturday. He is a maverick but won't do the simple things right and this kicking off the outside of the foot is joke stuff