Cork Hurlers - Part 2

[greengrass]

Diarmuid Healy from KK, won it with Offaly in 80s, no one ever since

Did eamonn cregan manage offaly to a win?

 

[TonyCork80]

In fairness, Shane O’Donnell is under no obligation to mitigate or rescue the Cork captain from his own daftness and he on a booking.

There is an old adage about stupid games and stupid prizes.

Of the three black/red cards seen by Cork players this year that one was by far the least controversial.

 

[smurfay]

Look I’m only watching on an iPad in a pub in Limerick with some stupid kk Galway rubbish in the telly …… but I think it’s wrong to place so much blame on Sean o Donoghue. It’s not tiddlywinks. It’s senior inter county. It’s picky by the ref. And Shane o Donnell milks it as any good forward does but come on. the rot had clearly set in before the goal. What’s noticeable as a neutral is that cork defenders didn’t play on the edge after that. I think Limerick tipp kk and Clare all recognise at that point that the ref is incredibly unlikely to pull a second red and seriously put the cutting bar down. Colm lyons gave hegarty an incredibly soft red in Ennis two years ago with 25 mins left. Still did enough to get the result. It’s a massive factor if your only game plan is a free for all shootout. But if you’re going places a team react. Lack of protection of the midfield running channels and inability to pick enough ball winners is the issue. Still think there’s twists and turns in the championship.

The ref last week harshly pulled the red on Cahalane five minutes after pulling the black on Joyce so maybe that goes some way to explaining why the defenders didn't play on the edge after the sending off.

For those being critical of Joyce, I thought the middle only really opened up when we had 14 (actually 13) on the field. The momentum was definitely drifting back towards Clare at the time of the sending off but could easily have swung back our way after Sean's block. The concession of a point there when we were coming out with the ball would have been sickening enough but to go down a man as well was hugely deflating.

I think we actually did well to finish within two from there and could have snatched it if the ball had fallen to one of our more attacking players at the end.

 

[Random boi]

In fairness, Shane O’Donnell is under no obligation to mitigate or rescue the Cork captain from his own daftness and he on a booking.

There is an old adage about stupid games and stupid prizes.

Of the three black/red cards seen by Cork players this year that one was by far the least controversial.

Shane O Donnell made the right decision in the same way William Buckley did in the u20 match. Both went down as a result of stupid actions by the offending player. Just a pity TAN doesn’t hold O’Donnell accountable in the same way he did with a 19/20 year old lad.

 

[morello]

People would need to calm the fuck down.

If you stop working from a 'we are cork basis' and started thinking that right now Clare have better hurlers than Cork yesterdays performance by cork has a lot to build on.

Corks keeper isn't great, but he's not useless either. Saunderson has a season in a really dominant u 20s team and a few league matchs.

Maybe he is good enough. Picking him now is bollox.

The cork defence is fine other than maybe Eoin Downey isn't quite ready.
O leary should be first choice. Putting in next weeks flavour of the month won't help.

The clare forwards are exceptionally good with two of the most unorthodox hurlers ( o donnell and Duggan ) that have ever played.
It's really tough to play against them.

O mahony got destroyed by Duggan but he never quit and took serious punishment out there.

Midfield is the area that needs a rethink. Personally I just cannot understand the brian Roche situation.

Here is a lad who did really well last year grafting away doing the donkey work but is dropped this year , presumably due to his hurling , giving him no chance to grow.


harnedy and horgan were mighty. Both their markers, hayes and ryan are quick experienced skilful hurlers but they both had to fight hard to contain them and didht succeed until well into the match. Real leadership.

Connolly is a great player. He looks dangerous every time he gets the ball . He found it tougher on Hogan when cleary swopped to Hayes after the yellow

Hayes and Daltons value only became apparent when they went off. Hayes may not make it but he should get the chance. Dalton I am torn on . Some great scores but did he abdicate responsibility for mcinerney A bit

The subs weren't great.

Coleman is the great conundrum. Beautiful ball player
After that

O Flynn was off the pace and he was marking a sub making his championship debut.
Leen got the better of it.

In the end there should be at least 13 of that 15 starting the next day.

Cork simply don't have the players to justify that sort of lurching about.

Is there any element at all of Cork people being proud of the way their team stuck at it in the face of hammer blow goals 2 weeks in a row.

Naturally I hope Ryan makes 4 or 5 changes and completely blows things up.

Ps
Rob Downey to 12 ?

Thoughts ?

Good post. ED did as well as any Cork defender I thought, and one of the few that will catch a ball. He has that bit of cynicism that you have to have back there.

We need Rob in that half back line. He would slot in for Joyce more comfortably now than when he was tried there a year ago. A defensive minded Joyce playing in midfield could be what we need.

As for half forward line and winning puc-outs - take your pick from Dalton, Harnedy, Cunningham, Healy, TOM, Fitzgibbon. The players are there. Bigger problem is the puc-out strategy has only plan A - empty out a patch of grass and bounce a ball into a runner, so 3 Cork players head off to the other side of the pitch, and when the opposition doesn't buy it it's a 3v1 against us. The clean uncontested catches by the opposition are just criminal. A bad puc-out should be a 50/50 ball where there is an equal number of players.

 

[TheOutdoorThreadmill]

In fairness, Shane O’Donnell is under no obligation to mitigate or rescue the Cork captain from his own daftness and he on a booking.

There is an old adage about stupid games and stupid prizes.

Of the three black/red cards seen by Cork players this year that one was by far the least controversial.

Absolutely, a moment of madness from SOD and unfortunately we paid a heavy price for it. There was no need for it,

 

[Twiceasnice97]

In what world is the Cork defence fine? Conceding huge scores week after week for years now, no matter who plays back there.

It’s a collective thing as much as it’s an individual thing. Some aren’t good enough and others don’t work together.

It's fine in terms of being the best available for selection right now

 

[Shabby]

It's fine in terms of being the best available for selection right now

They’re not fine though, even if that’s the case. I don’t know what the solution is but the defence is sub standard.

 

[TonyCork80]

In what world is the Cork defence fine? Conceding huge scores week after week for years now, no matter who plays back there.

It’s a collective thing as much as it’s an individual thing. Some aren’t good enough and others don’t work together.

Spot on. Saying the Cork defence is fine after conceding 36 points at home (including 2-7 off puckouts) in a Munster championship match is simply not a good faith argument. The average for us is about 31,32. It might not be about the personnel named in the backs granted but we are not a defensively competent team by any stretch of the imagination.

For all their undoubted talents, Limerick, Kilkenny and Galway would back themselves to beat this Clare side when it counts every time and they’d be right on available evidence. It counted big time for Cork yesterday, we got ourselves into a winning position, we fucked it and the scoreline ultimately flattered us. They kept going absolutely, but from 52 minutes on there was only one winner.

 

[TheOutdoorThreadmill]

Shane O Donnell made the right decision in the same way William Buckley did in the u20 match. Both went down as a result of stupid actions by the offending player. Just a pity TAN doesn’t hold O’Donnell accountable in the same way he did with a 19/20 year old lad.

You think both incidents are same? Jesus wept