for me it is pretty much the norm... last year i was at a few there with no seats aslan was one , remember the rats there with no seats(years ago)it all depends on the gig i think.. at gilbert recently with seats of course... iwas there for the sultans friday... see them many times but i had forgotton how niall(lead singer ) bugs me. he has the crowd hoping , the place rocking and he goes and sits down sipping coffe or something...also throwing his mike into the audience (boring).. he should watch the stunning do a gig , no shit no fooling around..just great music.. never again..