The next Government

[knockfiarna]

Matt Cooper had a few people on yesterday, One of them Sarah Carey said that is the big problem for SF, Some of
their vote from 2020 will go left, some right, Some will go soc dems, independent, If FF,FG are returned then that is democracy at play,
If enough of people dont want things to change then we have to respect that,

It's like the 100 year of ff/fg nonsense being bandied about. I've always voted Labour where possible and being +60 always felt dick spring blew the "spring tide" labour had back in the day. Labour got around 33 seats if I remember correctly and should have stayed out of gov and led a left centred opposition, SF at the time were "busy" things they would tell you now there was no alternative to. This is why I say the 100 year thing is a load of crap as it's only since the good Friday agreement that sf have ever even tried to offer a democratic option to the people. They had a great chance but for me their leadership is too weak,too flip flop and their inability so far to offer any kind of an umbrella left alternative which would even look viable is a real indictment of their party strategy.

 

[jimmym]

It's like the 100 year of ff/fg nonsense being bandied about. I've always voted Labour where possible and being +60 always felt dick spring blew the "spring tide" labour had back in the day. Labour got around 33 seats if I remember correctly and should have stayed out of gov and led a left centred opposition, SF at the time were "busy" things they would tell you now there was no alternative to. This is why I say the 100 year thing is a load of crap as it's only since the good Friday agreement that sf have ever even tried to offer a democratic option to the people. They had a great chance but for me their leadership is too weak,too flip flop and their inability so far to offer any kind of an umbrella left alternative which would even look viable is a real indictment of their party strategy.

FF,FG in government for 100 years is democracy at work, Support has dropped hugely but it is very likely both will be back in office
again, Labour are still slated for measures taken during the austerity years but at least they had the guts to go into government , Others would have run a mile

 

[knockfiarna]

FF,FG in government for 100 years is democracy at work, Support has dropped hugely but it is very likely both will be back in office
again, Labour are still slated for measures taken during the austerity years but at least they had the guts to go into government , Others would have run a mile

Agree with that ,the smaller party will and has always carried the can for unpopular decisions. I'd be in favour of labour and soc dem alliance even a rebrand as SLDP here might help them leave that austerity millstone behind them .
There were I think 2 elections in the 80's where FF got over 40% of the vote and didn't form a government. Can you imagine that happening with SF nowadays (it wont) ,their supporters who sometimes seem like they don't even understand how pr and democracy work would have a fit.

 

[jimmym]

John Mulvihill standing in east cork, 80 years of age,

 

[jimmym]

Agree with that ,the smaller party will and has always carried the can for unpopular decisions. I'd be in favour of labour and soc dem alliance even a rebrand as SLDP here might help them leave that austerity millstone behind them .
There were I think 2 elections in the 80's where FF got over 40% of the vote and didn't form a government. Can you imagine that happening with SF nowadays (it wont) ,their supporters who sometimes seem like they don't even understand how pr and democracy work would have a fit.

After the 2020 election MLMD went on a tour of the country claiming SF were robbed of the election, RPH was packed on the night, Trump like

 

[Rebel CNC]

If going along with government on migration has cost SF it's popularity where does that vote then go.

Can't believe the left haven't come together under the one umbrella to form a legitimate threat.

Same ol' same ol' on the way.

Not just migration. When they were riding high in the polls, they started banging on incessantly about how they'd have a border poll when in government and focused less on housing and health which is where they had gained in the polls.
The die-hard old stock Shinners won't admit it but a border poll is so far down most people's list of priorities, it doesn't even register.

I'm sure some of the younger tds/ Public reps in SF roll their eyes and mutter under their breath when MLMD is sent up to the plinth at Ard Fheis with yet another army council scripted speech extolling the importance of a border poll ASAP.

The left's best hope in medium-long term is perhaps for split in SF with those focusing on health, housing etc going their own way and letting the old school rump fend for themselves.

At the moment we have a nominally right wing government but who have some of the most progressive tax policies in Europe and have introduced one of the highest minimum wages but cannot manage spending (generally a strength of parties operating on the right). They spend more than most countries on health but get very little in return in terms of productivity and efficiency.

 

[jimmym]

Not just migration. When they were riding high in the polls, they started banging on incessantly about how they'd have a border poll when in government and focused less on housing and health which is where they had gained in the polls.
The die-hard old stock Shinners won't admit it but a border poll is so far down most people's list of priorities, it doesn't even register.

I'm sure some of the younger tds/ Public reps in SF roll their eyes and mutter under their breath when MLMD is sent up to the plinth at Ard Fheis with yet another army council scripted speech extolling the importance of a border poll ASAP.

The left's best hope in medium-long term is perhaps for split in SF with those focusing on health, housing etc going their own way and letting the old school rump fend for themselves.

At the moment we have a nominally right wing government but who have some of the most progressive tax policies in Europe and have introduced one of the highest minimum wages but cannot manage spending (generally a strength of parties operating on the right). They spend more than most countries on health but get very little in return in terms of productivity and efficiency.

Agreed, They completely read the room wrong re a BP, A couple of years ago MLMD was on a fund raising trip to Australia, She told
people at a dinner that the question of unity is debated whenever irish people meet up, Bonkers stuff,

 

[TheRebelRoar]

SF supporters wanted a hardline on immigration.

They wouldn't set themselves opposed to the current shitshow and they've lost half their vote.

The polling supports this.

I'd say next time out you will have an actual conversative right party in a coalition government as events like the Weekend's in Roscommon start to become a regular occurrence.

 

[jimmym]

SF supporters wanted a hardline on immigration.

They wouldn't set themselves opposed to the current shitshow and they've lost half their vote.

The polling supports this.

I'd say next time out you will have an actual conversative right party I'm government as events like the Weekend's in Roscommon start to become a regular occurrence.

I know many SF people who are very supportive of migrants, Of course there are others who would take the opposite view,
That is where SF are in a bind, Matt Carthy was on rte radio saturday lunchtime , He spoke out of both sides of his mouth on the issue,
I still say SF will poll better than recent polls, possibly 20%, the campaign could throw up a few curveballs yet,

 

[TheRebelRoar]

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