The next Government

[PROCNA2018]

No, this as a universal tax is unavoidable and excellent for bringing in funds and the lower paid pay little tax anyway and the rich have to pay it no matter what.

I am sure fuel excise duties could be looked at again and reducing charges to people on many Govt. controlled items would be a good idea.

So then he should be honest and say the USC temporary nature was never the intent and it was a stealth tax and not just for the crash.

 

[Stacky]

If the (temporary) USC needs to be kept, they should change it to the UPC (Universal Pension Contribution).
Cut one third of the current USC (therefore going directly back into the pockets of taxpayers), take the other two thirds and put it into a sovereign wealth fund to pay pensions, of which there is a gigantic cliff edge on the horizon.
This will allow people to see that they are getting (and keeping) their income and not seeing a crippling USC being swallowed into overall tax take of the state. People wont have to worry about having to budget for the extra pension cost burden when pension auto enrollment commences shortly.

That makes total sense but the parties on the left want to spend everything now to alleviate the current issues (Everything in "crisis") but politically difficult as the Govt. parties will want to hand out the goodies before the next election while trying to appear responsible and not take the State over a cliff again.

 

[Stacky]

So then he should be honest and say the USC temporary nature was never the intent and it was a stealth tax and not just for the crash.

Taxes are never "temporary" and they are never simply "abolished" no matter what politicians promise you.

 

[Minstrel]

Why would any Government sign up to an 8 or 10% commitment for the P.S. when the P.S. unions and the Govt are talking about a 5% raise?

Shoving a big pay increase during an inflationary period is just poor economics.

The Government might be talking about 5% ( Ive not seen it tbh) but the Unions certainly are not.

 

[Stacky]

The Government might be talking about 5% ( Ive not seen it tbh) but the Unions certainly are not.

 

[Minstrel]

Is that your way of telling us you might have been wrong about the Unions?

 

[Stacky]

Is that your way of telling us you might have been wrong about the Unions?

 

[Minstrel]

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You do know its ok to admit you were wrong. No one will think any less of you. God knows I've been wrong plenty of times on here.

So were you wrong about the Unions looking for 5%? If not can you provide a link to show where they did.

Thanks.

 

[Stacky]

You do know its ok to admit you were wrong. No one will think any less of you. God knows I've been wrong plenty of times on here.

So were you wrong about the Unions looking for 5%? If not can you provide a link to show where they did.

Thanks.

Stacky said:
Why would any Government sign up to an 8 or 10% commitment for the P.S. when the P.S. unions and the Govt are talking about a 5% raise?


RTE NEWS 18-06-22

The Irish Congress of Trade Unions said in a statement that the Government had offered supplementary pay rises of 2.5% for the period 2021-2022 and a further 2.5% pay rise for next year - numbers which ICTU said fell far short of inflation.

Government sources were quick to point out that the increases would come on top of a 2% rise already in place under the existing public sector pay agreement, delivering a cumulative rise of 7% and bringing the total cost of the pay deal to €2.3 billion.

"We've been clear from the beginning of this process that we could not chase inflation and it was important to avoid measures that would exacerbate inflationary pressures," they said.

If you think that the Unions are going to get 8-10% rise from the State the only way that will happen if they somehow will the Euro Millions every single week.

 

[Minstrel]

You do know its ok to admit you were wrong. No one will think any less of you. God knows I've been wrong plenty of times on here.

So were you wrong about the Unions looking for 5%? If not can you provide a link to show where they did.

Thanks.

Stacky said:
Why would any Government sign up to an 8 or 10% commitment for the P.S. when the P.S. unions and the Govt are talking about a 5% raise?


RTE NEWS 18-06-22

The Irish Congress of Trade Unions said in a statement that the Government had offered supplementary pay rises of 2.5% for the period 2021-2022 and a further 2.5% pay rise for next year - numbers which ICTU said fell far short of inflation.

Government sources were quick to point out that the increases would come on top of a 2% rise already in place under the existing public sector pay agreement, delivering a cumulative rise of 7% and bringing the total cost of the pay deal to €2.3 billion.

"We've been clear from the beginning of this process that we could not chase inflation and it was important to avoid measures that would exacerbate inflationary pressures," they said.

If you think that the Unions are going to get 8-10% rise from the State the only way that will happen if they somehow will the Euro Millions every single week.

So once again I'll ask - where did the Unions talk about a 5% rise? The only 5% they mentioned was the governments one.

The 8-10% is my opinion. If I'm wrong I'll come out and admit it. I won't beat around the bush because I dont like being wrong.