THe Conor Mcgregor thread

[Happyhonkaman]

If she is incapable of consent then it's rape. I'm hopeful that that, and the medical evidence, will get her over the line in a civil trial..

yep - which presumably is what the DPP advised her

the defence read the DPP's assessment of the case to the jury today which will linger also even if the judge directed that they shouldn't be guided by it

 

[knockfiarna]

Rape trials often are very traumatic and you would think from reporting at times that it was the alleged victim who is on trial not the alleged perpetrator.
Responsibility and fault etcetera seem to be what is being discussed here in this case.

"The only person with ultimate control over whether the rape took place is the rapist".

That's my take on any rape case and it's up to the jury here to decide who had ultimate control.

 

[hurley68]

Rape trials often are very traumatic and you would think from reporting at times that it was the alleged victim who is on trial not the alleged perpetrator.
Responsibility and fault etcetera seem to be what is being discussed here in this case.

"The only person with ultimate control over whether the rape took place is the rapist".

That's my take on any rape case and it's up to the jury here to decide who had ultimate control.

Of course and you are spon on.Only thing jury will ponder is why phone your rapist next morn at 6 for a chat.

 

[Matlock]

Of course and you are spon on.Only thing jury will ponder is why phone your rapist next morn at 6 for a chat.

People do all sorts of odd things when they are traumatized.

How many cases have we had of murder suicide in this country where the families first reaction is to bury the couple together, for example?

 

[knockfiarna]

Of course and you are spon on.Only thing jury will ponder is why phone your rapist next morn at 6 for a chat.

I'm sure they have to ponder and deliberate over every aspect of case in question. State of mind and consent being key.
Never been on a jury yet ,but I take it that Judges give direction to juries after summation of both defense and prosecution cases.

 

[hurley68]

People do all sorts of odd things when they are traumatized.

How many cases have we had of murder suicide in this country where the families first reaction is to bury the couple together, for example?

Alan Hawe was buried with the family he butchered in Co Cavan but later exhumed and cremated.

 

[CaptainSensible]

If she is incapable of consent then it's rape. I'm hopeful that that, and the medical evidence, will get her over the line in a civil trial..

Lets leave this case aside for a sec as I think we all have a bias because McGregor is a prick.

My question is what is the definition of incapable of consent?

Is it unconscious, or does being drunk count, if so how drunk?

How can someone prove how drunk they were, in fact its probably the opposite in that we always think we are more sober than we actually were?

 

[Matlock]

Lets leave this case aside for a sec as I think we all have a bias because McGregor is a prick.

My question is what is the definition of incapable of consent?

Is it unconscious, or does being drunk count, if so how drunk?

How can someone prove how drunk they were, in fact its probably the opposite in that we always think we are more sober than we actually were?

There isn't an objective test so it will be a matter for evidence.

 

[longbigandjuicy]

Lets leave this case aside for a sec as I think we all have a bias because McGregor is a prick.

My question is what is the definition of incapable of consent?

Is it unconscious, or does being drunk count, if so how drunk?

How can someone prove how drunk they were, in fact its probably the opposite in that we always think we are more sober than we actually were?

Or if both parties are off there head on drugs.

 

[Up Cork!]

civil case is perfect for this. People might be angry at the DPP but that’s a much higher bar. There’d have been extensive damage done if Conor McGregor was up for rape in Dublin Circuit Court and gatched out of court after being acquitted.