Must.... Own....property....

[Stacky]

So they didn't know the state the economy was in when they released their manifesto?
Coveney made his statement in 2017.
The Troika had long since left.
A 250,000 deficit in housing supply doesn't happen overnight.
Neither does 14000 homeless you idiot.
They keep bringing in refugees while we have Irish homeless dying on the streets.
That's down to 2008 too is it?
Who was in charge of the economy when the country went bankrupt again?
Anger issues.
You patronising cunt.
We have 14000 homeless, a tented village in our capital city and the government are playing musical chairs with the office of the Taoiseach.
Everyone is angry, or should be.

Everyone is angry?

The Guards closed off Molesworth St yesterday in front of the Dail.

Only 6 protestors showed up.

Go and have a nice cup of tea......

 

[jank]

9 Convent Gardens, Blackrock Villas, Blackrock, Co. Cork, Ireland ::: Irish Property Price Register

Property details for 9 Convent Gardens, Blackrock Villas, Blackrock, Co. Cork, Ireland

propertypriceregisterireland.com

€525k four years ago.

The flooring is hit-and-miss.
A fan of the herringbone and wooden floors, but the tiles downstairs are awful.

We looked at one of those a few years back when it was being sold new.
A very nice house, lots of space.

 

[jank]

In parts of south belfast you'd find houses like that for a similar price tbh.

drumglass park

malone road

Neither of them would be great value for money like, but they seem to sell alright.

Dublin is a whole other matter like.

The world is properly fucked, it's getting worse for people who don't own a house.

They are nice houses alright. Lots of character.
You do seem to get good value in the North compared to the Republic, but the job market is very different, and one also has to pay rates on houses.

The guts of €5k a year for the ones you linked, as an example.

 

[jank]

No house should be more than €200k.

Try build one for 200k and see how far you get.

 

[jank]

I'm not saying it's good value either.
The Irish government have absolutely broken the housing market.
If they were intentionally trying to destroy the market they couldn't have done a "better" job.
2030 at the earliest to fix it when they promised to end homelessness in 2011 is an atrocious record.
People have destroyed lives with these policies.
Murphy, Coveney and Fatty O Brien should all be in jail.

Expensive housing is a worldwide issue, and Ireland is not immune to it.

 

[How bad boy]

(1)Admit theres a crisis and treat it as such. Releasing homeless figures on the last Friday of the month is scandalous.
If they released Covid figures on the last Friday of every month there'd have been uproar. Show some respect.
(2).They keep saying their plan is working.
Fucking prove it so. Have a monthly press conference showing precisely what the figures were last month, what the figures were this month.
Show us what worked/what didn't work.
Show us what the plan is for next month/next year/the next 5 years.
(3)Do live press conferences after each presentation.
Take questions from all media and the opposition.
Quit the spiel re"new mortgages drawn down "& other nonsense and tell us how many people moved into new homes.
(4)O Brien can no longer hide and lie.
He claims 32000 new builds in 2023 was the highest since records began.
2 seconds on Google and:
2005-85,597 new builds.
2006-88,419 new builds.
2007-78,027 new builds.
2008-51,724 new builds.
Either he is front and centre or bring in somebody new.
He's the housing minister during the worst housing crisis in the history of the state and he's never on tv.
(5)Bring in a no fault eviction ban.
In other countries, as long as you're paying the rent you cannot be evicted
We need more security of tenure.
Particularly during a national emergency.
(6)Have a rent freeze.
We currently have the highest rents in th history of the state and 65% of rents are being subsidised by the state.
That's absolutely ludicrous.
That's for a start.

That was way too many at the time and resulted in absolute disaster.


For points 1 & 3, that's comms and I don't think that's exactly going to make the difference.
2. is reasonable, there are plans, albeit looking at the releases, the levels of detail is lacking.

5 - depends on the detail, but agree that significant improvements to security of tenure in Irish rental law are required.

6 - Are 65% of rents really subsidised by the state? That seem like an enormous amount, where is that figure from. You have to be very, very careful with rent controls, a temporary one might be reasonable for a year or two, to help stabilise things, but rent control can have major knock on unforseen consequences.

I would add to the list a way to manage underoccupancy better, which is a major problem in Ireland:

Most of us are living in homes too big for our needs, ESRI report finds | BreakingNews.ie

The Irish residential market has a very high share of under-occupied dwellings relative to other EU countries, according to the report

www.breakingnews.ie

"An estimated 67 per cent of people in the Republic are living in homes that are too big for their needs, according to new research by the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI).

The study forund that Ireland has an under-occupancy rate of 67.3 per cent, putting it in the top three in Europe - together with Malta and Cyprus - in terms of under-occupancy. The EU average is 33.6 per cent, around half the Irish figure.

The data shows that more than 88 per cent of people over 65 years live in under-occupied housing. Under-occupation is also more prevalent in higher-income households, while in 2022 almost 80 per cent of homeowners lived in an under-occupied unit whereas only 38.4 per cent of the renters did."


Incentives for older folks to downsize could be very beneficial in Ireland.

 

[How bad boy]

Expensive housing is a worldwide issue, and Ireland is not immune to it.

It's very concentrated though. Even within Ireland, there's 10x differences in housing costs between regions.

It's why I don't think it's purely a problem of supply and that there's something to Gary Stephenson's Capital vs Labour idea. I wasn't fully convinced when Thomas Piketty brought it back into public attention a decade ago, but it explains what I consider to be otherwise incomprehensible housing/asset markets in certain regions of the globe

 

[FSG OUT]

Expensive housing is a worldwide issue, and Ireland is not immune to it.

That doesn't make it right.
We're a tiny little dot in the middle of nowhere with a tiny population.
House prices should not be rising like they are.
Higher than the Celtic Tiger high.
What's next?
Our kids paying €2m,3m for houses?
Needing €300k deposits.
It's fucking ridiculous.

 

[jank]

It's both man, FFG need to keep their electorate (over 40's thick cunts) happy, there is a "the ditch" podcast where they talk about Leo Varadkar retiring, and his legacy, they sum it up nicely.

Those lads are the biggest spoofers of the highest order.
FF and FG have a lot wrong about them, and while I agree that those parties very much cater to the older demographics in the country, the guys like 'Big' Paulie Doyle are dickheads.

 

[FSG OUT]

That was way too many at the time and resulted in absolute disaster.


For points 1 & 3, that's comms and I don't think that's exactly going to make the difference.
2. is reasonable, there are plans, albeit looking at the releases, the levels of detail is lacking.

5 - depends on the detail, but agree that significant improvements to security of tenure in Irish rental law are required.

6 - Are 65% of rents really subsidised by the state? That seem like an enormous amount, where is that figure from. You have to be very, very careful with rent controls, a temporary one might be reasonable for a year or two, to help stabilise things, but rent control can have major knock on unforseen consequences.

I would add to the list a way to manage underoccupancy better, which is a major problem in Ireland:

Most of us are living in homes too big for our needs, ESRI report finds | BreakingNews.ie

The Irish residential market has a very high share of under-occupied dwellings relative to other EU countries, according to the report

www.breakingnews.ie

"An estimated 67 per cent of people in the Republic are living in homes that are too big for their needs, according to new research by the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI).

The study forund that Ireland has an under-occupancy rate of 67.3 per cent, putting it in the top three in Europe - together with Malta and Cyprus - in terms of under-occupancy. The EU average is 33.6 per cent, around half the Irish figure.

The data shows that more than 88 per cent of people over 65 years live in under-occupied housing. Under-occupation is also more prevalent in higher-income households, while in 2022 almost 80 per cent of homeowners lived in an under-occupied unit whereas only 38.4 per cent of the renters did."


Incentives for older folks to downsize could be very beneficial in Ireland.

"That was way too many at 1 time"
If I suggested one idea you'd have said "is that it?"

Your downsizing idea is nonsense.
Older people shouldn't have to downsize.
They may live in an area near to their grandkids, where they are a massive support.
Or the kids/ grandkids could be their only social outlet.
We're in the middle of a housing crisis
Where on earth should they downsize to?
No talk of anyone having to downsize for decades and now that suddenly becomes the norm?
Talk about a disaster.
"Downsizing" is your only idea?