Immigration Thread

[PROCNA2018]

Yourself and Cranky are the only posters pushing this kind of thing as some sort of issue to people here


The vast majority of people have had enough of the governments pitiful mismanagement of economic migrants abusing the asylum system.

The polls reflect this and have done so since the turn of the year.

I don't know how many times I can say this to you
There are 2 separate things.
One is our immigration situation, lack of policy, systems, processes and planning - on which it seems we agree almost entirely except for maybe refugees.

The second is the very real far right threat. I am not saying the first is being caused by the second. I am saying the first is being exploited by the second. It very clearly includes race hate, anti immigrant and indeed anti EU sentiment. It is being orchestrated from outside the state.


Both those things are real. We must deal with both either together or probably better, separately - because one is a public policy issue as you say, immigration and the other is a security issue, far right.

 

[North end]

How in the name of sweet Jesus (can I say that) was he allowed in here with a past criminal history?

 

[leesider]

Convicted murderer caught selling heroin in Mallow train station

Judge Quinn imposed a sentence of two years on the defendant, backdated to September, on the charge of having heroin for sale or supply.

www.echolive.ie

Heres a recent, local example that actually made the news.

I know there are examples such as the one you pointed out but there are always going to be examples, what is the scale of problem though?

Btw this is a Lithuanian person who has the right to move within the EU so unless of course you are advocating for tighter controls within the EU and all that goes with that?

As Stacky mentioned people just put immigration, refugees and asylum seekers in one bucket without differentiating. Most of the issues you mentioned earlier are more related to refugees and asylum seekers than general immigration.

 

[hurlingben]

Convicted murderer caught selling heroin in Mallow train station

Judge Quinn imposed a sentence of two years on the defendant, backdated to September, on the charge of having heroin for sale or supply.

www.echolive.ie

Heres a recent, local example that actually made the news.

This man is from the EU?

 

[Crankycorner]

The name of the thread is ‘Immigration Thread’ and yet most of the conversation has been focused on refugees/asylum seekers and ‘economic migrants’ whatever they are. The entire thread is conflating all of these with immigration of which the controls are quite strict.

 

[rebel without a caus]

How in the name of sweet Jesus (can I say that) was he allowed in here with a past criminal history?

My thoughts exactly.
Would he have got into Australia?
Not a hope in hell.

 

[hurlingben]

Considering there are no statistics being kept by Gardai on crimes committed by nationality and ethnicity we have no way of establishing that one way or another.

Some people are more than willing to speculate though.

 

[Crankycorner]

Im sorry but that is patent nonsense.

Your opinions do not trump clear evidence to the contrary m8.

 

[Stacky]

The name of the thread is ‘Immigration Thread’ and yet most of the conversation has been focused on refugees/asylum seekers and ‘economic migrants’ whatever they are. The entire thread is conflating all of these with immigration of which the controls are quite strict.

If people are just not smart enough to understand this then you can readily see how people from Coolock etc get all confused/angry and wound up by far-right idiots and the far-right idiots get taken by foreign fascist "influencers" etc.

You saw how they were all fighting with each other at the Phoenix park at the weekend and at the same time hooking up with the UDA in Belfast who have killed over 350 Irish people.

This is the barmy world of angry and stupid people.

Some of them are just angry all the time anyway and are beyond help anyway.

 

[rebel without a caus]

I know there are examples such as the one you pointed out but there are always going to be examples, what is the scale of problem though?

Btw this is a Lithuanian person who has the right to move within the EU so unless of course you are advocating for tighter controls within the EU and all that goes with that?

As Stacky mentioned people just put immigration, refugees and asylum seekers in one bucket without differentiating. Most of the issues you mentioned earlier are more related to refugees and asylum seekers than general immigration.

The nitpickers can label, categorise, name it whatever they like. Just defelecting from the issue.
Anyone with common sense can ignore that type of deflection though and focus on the core issue at hand here:
1) Ireland is an Island;
2) There is a significant, current problem wth the volume and type of people moving onto that Island.