Sinn Fein are not a Normal Political Party

[daftbrush]

He was heading to Glandore for short break

 

[SoundMan]

last year sf supporters praised michael D for not going to the centenary event,
Last night sf supporters praised conor murphy for going to a jubilee celebration event in armagh,

Picture the scene, you've a neighbour with whom you are in dispute over a boundary wall. Generally the neighbour is decent puts a bit of work your way and you're never stuck for a cup of sugar or the like, and ye've generally had similar interests and joined the same resident's association and in the whole get on about most things and your kids and their kids generally play together. But ye just don't see eye to eye on where the property boundary exists. You recieve an invite to a BBQ from them where the entire BBQ setup is on the disputed piece of land and it's a celebration to mark the acquisition of the land. Would you go?

Subsequently, there's a big party on the estate becuase the granny of the house next door who recently came to one of your family funerals and had spoken very well about the deceased and had said that the whole land-dispute could and should be resolved to everybody's satisfaction, is celebrating her longevity. Would you accept the invite to that party even though you'd not attended the BBQ?

 

[SoundMan]

Orange Order are not expelling anyone involved in the video

Why would they? The history of the Orange Order is replete with sectarian violence from its very inception right up to today. Those taking part in that "sing song" did so openly, in an Orange Hall, and nothing was said or done about it until the video clip became public a week later. Then there was a bit of hand-wringing, some sops until it became yesterday's news, and then it's business as usual until their mask slips again. Anyone who knows anything of the politics of this island knows the OO is not a confraternity of guys just wishing to walk peacefully to and from their place of worship

Interesting to note that the Grand Secretary of the OO, Mervyn Gibson has just recently been made an MBE by QEII

Some of his utterances have raised a few eyebrows in the past.

 

[SoundMan]

Quell shock and surprise

One shower up there are as bad as the other.

Ah yes, the "one as bad as the other" simplistic nonsense parroted by someone who clearly is utterly clueless of what the north is even like.

Tell us again about how you think everybody living north of the border is scum, and that anyone down here with an Irish name is scum too you complete and utter simpleton

 

[SoundMan]

The lad that posted it would be better off moving to Andersonstown in Belfast. He'd have more of a chance there.

Being treated as an absolute pariah in Portadown amongst his former mates apparently. It'll all blow over soon though one suspects, until the next time.

 

[SoundMan]

Again with the apology "it was not meant to be seen" ,same as the Dundonald hall apology, "was not meant to be broadcast". How thick are these cunts or is it that, that's the best they can do. The "seeing" and "broadcasting" are bad but it's what you said/sang that disgusting, to few or many it's the words/sentiment you used that are the problem.

I presume preacher is like pastor, anyone can take on the title off their own back.

The only logical reason one can think of for the "it was not meant to be broadcast" effort at an excuse is to avoid the charge of deliberately broadcasting or posting something that they know would give offence. To normal people that such carry on happened is repulsive. But the broadcasting of it is, I think, an offence in itself. At least that's the only reason I can think of that they'd come out with such statements about something that is so obviously disgusting.

 

[jimmym]

Picture the scene, you've a neighbour with whom you are in dispute over a boundary wall. Generally the neighbour is decent puts a bit of work your way and you're never stuck for a cup of sugar or the like, and ye've generally had similar interests and joined the same resident's association and in the whole get on about most things and your kids and their kids generally play together. But ye just don't see eye to eye on where the property boundary exists. You recieve an invite to a BBQ from them where the entire BBQ setup is on the disputed piece of land and it's a celebration to mark the acquisition of the land. Would you go?

Subsequently, there's a big party on the estate becuase the granny of the house next door who recently came to one of your family funerals and had spoken very well about the deceased and had said that the whole land-dispute could and should be resolved to everybody's satisfaction, is celebrating her longevity. Would you accept the invite to that party even though you'd not attended the BBQ?

But when somebody spends their life refusing to recognise a monarchy as a republican but then goes to an event celebrating
a monarchy?

 

[Stacky]

Picture the scene, you've a neighbour with whom you are in dispute over a boundary wall. Generally the neighbour is decent puts a bit of work your way and you're never stuck for a cup of sugar or the like, and ye've generally had similar interests and joined the same resident's association and in the whole get on about most things and your kids and their kids generally play together. But ye just don't see eye to eye on where the property boundary exists. You recieve an invite to a BBQ from them where the entire BBQ setup is on the disputed piece of land and it's a celebration to mark the acquisition of the land. Would you go?

Subsequently, there's a big party on the estate becuase the granny of the house next door who recently came to one of your family funerals and had spoken very well about the deceased and had said that the whole land-dispute could and should be resolved to everybody's satisfaction, is celebrating her longevity. Would you accept the invite to that party even though you'd not attended the BBQ?

You ask your solicitor to deal with the Land Registry and establish the legal boundary all in agreement with your neighbour and then you move the fock on.

 

[TheOutdoorThreadmill]

But when somebody spends their life refusing to recognise a monarchy as a republican but then goes to an event celebrating
a monarchy?

And supporting the organisation that murdered a member of her family.

 

[PROCNA2018]

But when somebody spends their life refusing to recognise a monarchy as a republican but then goes to an event celebrating
a monarchy?

There's an obvious distinction here.
They're not the same thing at all.

Most people understand that the best way to make progress in NI is to reach out to the "other side". To be fair SF, lesser extent Alliance and even SDLP do that regularly. UUP try their best occasionally. DUP don't bother.

You can't claim to want to be an SF FM for all in NI or an Executive minister for all in NI and not think across the 2 traditions. Hence he went to a jubilee event and O'Neill wrote to the Queen.

That's a world away from the celebrating the partition of our country. There was never a legitimate claim to Ireland other than our own. Under threat of terrible war we agreed to the partition of Ireland despite in 1918 73 of 105 seats across the island in favour of independence. To celebrate that would be accepting its legitimacy.

In 98 we voted for peace. We voted to accept that the partition of our island, imposed under threat of war, would remain until the majority said otherwise. As we have been discussing that might happen in 10 or 20 years or as others have said it might never happen. It doesn't mean the partition of our island is any more legitimate. It just means ending partition can only be done through democratic and peaceful means.

The 2 things are perfectly consistent unless you have a particular view of SF.