Thank GOD for Libertas

[Echoboy]

That is all i can say. Completely unbalanced argument for the Yes campaign with nearly every institution in the country on their side. Huge amount of resources and power behind them.

Libertas, the ideal of a fair democracy and the majority of the electorate being treated like dirt were the only things in favour of the No campaign.

We nearly got railroaded into this treaty .... how will they reshuffle it the next time round. And will they even contemplate that people want a fair transparent system for the all new, singing and dancing, brand spanking new europe.


Do they even get that? Do they realise that the whole thing is shady as fuck and until the whole attitude changes people will still vote the same way.

They are already starting with the scare tactics and piling on the guilt trip. Only until they come back with something that even seems like it might be good for Ireland not to mind Europe will anything change.

 

[Padraig Mor]

. Completely unbalanced argument for the Yes campaign with nearly every institution in the country on their side. Huge amount of resources and power behind them..

???? Libertas spent more than every other party put together.

 

[diar2me]

That is all i can say. Completely unbalanced argument for the Yes campaign with nearly every institution in the country on their side. Huge amount of resources and power behind them.

Libertas, the ideal of a fair democracy and the majority of the electorate being treated like dirt were the only things in favour of the No campaign.

We nearly got railroaded into this treaty .... how will they reshuffle it the next time round. And will they even contemplate that people want a fair transparent system for the all new, singing and dancing, brand spanking new europe.


Do they even get that? Do they realise that the whole thing is shady as fuck and until the whole attitude changes people will still vote the same way.

They are already starting with the scare tactics and piling on the guilt trip. Only until they come back with something that even seems like it might be good for Ireland not to mind Europe will anything change.

That's what has really bugged me about the no side winning. The yes side since defeat have uttered things like - "unchartered waters", "we'll be the first victims of turning this treaty down" and "Europe is going to carry on without us" because "they don't have a treaty problem they have a small country problem". It's statements like the above that has made me even happier I voted no! When our own government can't put a coherent argument together and then start uttering comments like the above when they lose it really does make you question our political system and why the fuck we have these people in power. I don't see why Ireland should be treated any different than France and Holland were treated in the wake of this revelation. Even if this was plan B. And even if we are I am even happier I voted no because it further goes to prove we ain't living in a Democratic Europe!

 

[Cork]

I hope organisations like Libertas - will take reponsibility when industry re-locates to more pro EU countries or when we loose foriegn direct investment.

The Lisbon treaty had nothing to do with abortion, conscription or the Irish Health system.

I see nothing wrong with putting it to the people again at a later date.

 

[diar2me]

I hope organisations like Libertas - will take reponsibility when industry re-locates to more pro EU countries or when we loose foriegn direct investment.

The Lisbon treaty had nothing to do with abortion, conscription or the Irish Health system.

I see nothing wrong with putting it to the people again at a later date.

I don't think anyone thought that and Libertas didn't actually say what all ye Yes campaigners are trying to say they did. There ye go with yer scaremongering again. Oh sher we'll be back in the 80's won't we! Did France and Holland lose industry or did France and Holland lose direct investment. Grow a pair will ya!

 

[Cork]

The French and the Dutch have signed up to Lisbon. Their "No" votes achieved precious little.

The Lisbon treaty is not dead. It will cost this country jobs and it will be put again to the Irish public.

It had nothing to do with abortion, taxation, defence, prostitution, the irish health system etc.

People had their say & SF/IRA and the "No" people won.

When this country starts loosing jobs - I hope that SF/IRA and the "No" people have the answers.

The people have made their beds.

 

[finn the feenian]

I hope organisations like Libertas - will take reponsibility when industry re-locates to more pro EU countries or when we loose foriegn direct investment.

The Lisbon treaty had nothing to do with abortion, conscription or the Irish Health system.

I see nothing wrong with putting it to the people again at a later date.

Switzerland seems to be doing rather well. And they're outside the EU.

in fact, corporations are actually MOVING to Switzerland to get away from the byzantine regulations of the EU. (look up Yahoo... moving from London to Switzerland... also Google set up its engineering HQ not in the EU - thats also in Switzerland)

 

[finn the feenian]

The French and the Dutch have signed up to Lisbon. Their "No" votes achieved precious little.

The Lisbon treaty is not dead. It will cost this country jobs and it will be put again to the Irish public.

It had nothing to do with abortion, taxation, defence, prostitution, the irish health system etc.

People had their say & SF/IRA and the "No" people won.

When this country starts loosing jobs - I hope that SF/IRA and the "No" people have the answers.

The people have made their beds.

oh right .. so all the Irish people who cant get jobs because of the slave wages of imported Eastern Europeans, courtesy of the EU, are all a figment of my imagination so?

wake the fuck up.

 

[DogTheLangerHunter]

Yup,and organisation funded by big business throughout Ireland REALLY did have the best interest of democracy at heart.

No stunts were pulled AT ALL like.

 

[finn the feenian]

I hope organisations like Libertas - will take reponsibility when industry re-locates to more pro EU countries or when we loose foriegn direct investment.

The Lisbon treaty had nothing to do with abortion, conscription or the Irish Health system.

I see nothing wrong with putting it to the people again at a later date.

and what pro-EU English speaking countries would American corporations move to so - socialist fucking Britain, a country thats so fucked up that British companies are fleeing to Dublin!!???

wake the fuck up. we'll do well out of this No vote. It'll give us leverage and power far beyond our size.

In fact , I'll wager that the Yanks will want to invest even more in our country, because they dont exactly see eye to eye with the philosophy and politics of the Eurocrats. In fact, they're a threat to American hegemony.