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To be clear I am not piling on or anything just offering my opinion.

Children must be allowed to be children.
Their innocence is being constantly undermined in a world with readily available porn and adults using their personal experiences to drive agendas in government, all governments, to indoctrinate and drive points home.

My eldest son has just finished primary.
This year and last he was given a dvd and lessons on puberty, reproduction and relationships. I can remember none of that happening for me til 2nd year of secondary school for reproduction and relationships was an Religion class possibly in 3rd year. And that is a positive. I didn't understand what gay was in context in 4th class and answered a question with the "wrong " answer which prompted a really bad time for me.

Because children are exposed to designed and proportionate education in 5th and 6th they get a basic knowledge which prompts question their parents should answer.

However, gender identity, self identification and trans are complex concepts that you really need to understand your own place in the world to be able to wrap your head around. You certainly should not be trying to understand them while just trying to internalise your body changes and puberty.

Now that said, while I think no one under the age of 16 or 18 should be even entertained for gender reassignment, it is apparently entirely possible to feel you're in the wrong body from a young age. I don't know how you would go about it but in the same way as gay relationships are explained with a proportionality in 5th and 6th, then that concept of feeling different in any way, could also be explainer, if for no other reason than to prevent the anguish and potential bullying or etc that children are subject to precisely because they simply can't comprehend what's what.

The last few pages seem to have been more about trans rights and supporting their recognition and existence than primary school education.

I don't think anyone is denying trans rights.

But in my opinion, children must be allowed to be children. They are growing up in a world which is increasingly harder to navigate than it was when i was small. Responsible parenting coupled with appropriate and specially designed educational packaged SHOULD be able to provide a base knowledge. There are adults who can't understand gender fluidity and trans, we shouldn't expect 12 year old to and to drive it into primary schools as an ideological issue, not saying this is Matlocks position, is adults pushing their political opinions and agendas into places that are not appropriate, just to prove a point without considering children's maturity, their development and the things they go through as it is, growing up in 2022.

Just my opinion.
 
Has anyone got a document/bullet points of what the actual content of the module would be? Age appropriate material will surely be high on their agenda, so it is hard to imagine what you teach kids about trans issues without delving deeper that might be appropriate at that age. I have a young fella going into 4th class next year, and a girl going into 3rd. The girl was at a 'disco' yesterday and when she was leaving I asked if there would be boys at it joking. She had no idea why I asked the question.. one of those those dads bad jokes moments in her head

We have had her announce that she is going to marry her best friend, because it seemed logical in her head.. grand job, why not was our response. A couple of months later she called that off because she realised she couldn't have babies that way so that was the end of her friend. Having a boyfriend or anything to do with them is just disgusting so that hasn't even crossed her mind, but right now I would say anything at all is a possibility in her head as she is completely innocent. 2 of her child minders have been openly gay and we have had their partners in the house and involved with the kids as normal, it hasn't crossed her mind that there is anything strange about 2 women being a couple. I like that she has been taught this way as it means she has absolutely no prejudices yet, she could care less if you are straight, gay or anything else either.. but what can you possibly teach her that is appropriate beyond trans people existing without overstepping the mark here?

My guess is that if I sat down with her now and asked whether she is straight, gay, bi-sexual or trans, she would have no idea. And if I pushed her to pick one she would probably opt for bi-sexual as she would not be able to close any of the options off for certain as her mind is not developed enough yet.

They get taught tolerance, openness, and acceptance anyway, is that not what all of this boils down to anyway?
 
Absolute gibberish.
From start to finish.

Just repeating yourself instead of any reasoned debate.

Telling kids of 4-12 that they can simply change their gender depending on how they feel that day is total garbage. This should not be taught in our primary schools.

Its not science. Its gender identy theory and it should not be taught and indoctrinated years before any teaching of biology.

Thats not denying anyones existence as youve stated eight times now.

Bang on.

Bang fucking on.
 
Has anyone got a document/bullet points of what the actual content of the module would be? Age appropriate material will surely be high on their agenda, so it is hard to imagine what you teach kids about trans issues without delving deeper that might be appropriate at that age. I have a young fella going into 4th class next year, and a girl going into 3rd. The girl was at a 'disco' yesterday and when she was leaving I asked if there would be boys at it joking. She had no idea why I asked the question.. one of those those dads bad jokes moments in her head

We have had her announce that she is going to marry her best friend, because it seemed logical in her head.. grand job, why not was our response. A couple of months later she called that off because she realised she couldn't have babies that way so that was the end of her friend. Having a boyfriend or anything to do with them is just disgusting so that hasn't even crossed her mind, but right now I would say anything at all is a possibility in her head as she is completely innocent. 2 of her child minders have been openly gay and we have had their partners in the house and involved with the kids as normal, it hasn't crossed her mind that there is anything strange about 2 women being a couple. I like that she has been taught this way as it means she has absolutely no prejudices yet, she could care less if you are straight, gay or anything else either.. but what can you possibly teach her that is appropriate beyond trans people existing without overstepping the mark here?

My guess is that if I sat down with her now and asked whether she is straight, gay, bi-sexual or trans, she would have no idea. And if I pushed her to pick one she would probably opt for bi-sexual as she would not be able to close any of the options off for certain as her mind is not developed enough yet.

They get taught tolerance, openness, and acceptance anyway, is that not what all of this boils down to anyway?

I don't think anyone is preaching intolerance but at the mere mention of questioning what is appropriate to be teaching our primary school age children you had the usual poster shrill and hysterical about this is somehow denying gay and trans peoples right to exist.

Joe Duffy debate 2.0 and complete bollocks.

I fail to see how we can stop gender based violence by indoctrinating 6 year olds with gender identity politics.

It serves no purpose but to cause confusion and distress.
 
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I have thought long about this. As an adult, do what you want. Always supportive.

Transgender appropriation with kids is the same as rape. Does so much harm.

As has been said, leave kids be kids. The adult shall develop in their own way from that.

Done with this conversation.
 
Absolute gibberish.
From start to finish.

Just repeating yourself instead of any reasoned debate.

Telling kids of 4-12 that they can simply change their gender depending on how they feel that day is total garbage. This should not be taught in our primary schools.

Its not science. Its gender identy theory and it should not be taught and indoctrinated years before any teaching of biology.

Thats not denying anyones existence as youve stated eight times now.
Can you link to where it is suggested that children should be told that they can simply change their gender depending in how they feel that day?

Cos that isn't in the govt press release, and it isn't in the INTO clip you posted.

You don't seem to know what will actually be taught to kids. You've made something up in your own head so you can get outraged by it.

What will you do if there's a trans kid in school with your kids Dan? Just not discuss it with them?
 
To be clear I am not piling on or anything just offering my opinion.

Children must be allowed to be children.
Their innocence is being constantly undermined in a world with readily available porn and adults using their personal experiences to drive agendas in government, all governments, to indoctrinate and drive points home.

My eldest son has just finished primary.
This year and last he was given a dvd and lessons on puberty, reproduction and relationships. I can remember none of that happening for me til 2nd year of secondary school for reproduction and relationships was an Religion class possibly in 3rd year. And that is a positive. I didn't understand what gay was in context in 4th class and answered a question with the "wrong " answer which prompted a really bad time for me.

Because children are exposed to designed and proportionate education in 5th and 6th they get a basic knowledge which prompts question their parents should answer.

However, gender identity, self identification and trans are complex concepts that you really need to understand your own place in the world to be able to wrap your head around. You certainly should not be trying to understand them while just trying to internalise your body changes and puberty.

Now that said, while I think no one under the age of 16 or 18 should be even entertained for gender reassignment, it is apparently entirely possible to feel you're in the wrong body from a young age. I don't know how you would go about it but in the same way as gay relationships are explained with a proportionality in 5th and 6th, then that concept of feeling different in any way, could also be explainer, if for no other reason than to prevent the anguish and potential bullying or etc that children are subject to precisely because they simply can't comprehend what's what.

The last few pages seem to have been more about trans rights and supporting their recognition and existence than primary school education.

I don't think anyone is denying trans rights.

But in my opinion, children must be allowed to be children. They are growing up in a world which is increasingly harder to navigate than it was when i was small. Responsible parenting coupled with appropriate and specially designed educational packaged SHOULD be able to provide a base knowledge. There are adults who can't understand gender fluidity and trans, we shouldn't expect 12 year old to and to drive it into primary schools as an ideological issue, not saying this is Matlocks position, is adults pushing their political opinions and agendas into places that are not appropriate, just to prove a point without considering children's maturity, their development and the things they go through as it is, growing up in 2022.

Just my opinion.
What does " children must be allowed to be children" actually mean though? Why does talking about gender expression stop them from being children?
 
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