Immigration Thread

[Hank Scorpio]

Up to very recently the three big parties were on the same page on migration,
SF are now trying to put distance between themselves and Ff, fg on this.

As the wealthiest party theyve the best polling available to them.

In terms of judging the public mood theyre no mugs

 

[Crankycorner]

Up to very recently the three big parties were on the same page on migration,
SF are now trying to put distance between themselves and Ff, fg on this.

Thing is neither of those favour completely uncontrolled immigration. What a lot seem to be doing is confusion immigration with those seeking asylum. The latter has exploded in numbers due to various wars which could not be foreseen. No doubt at all that we should be much quicker in finalising applications for asylum and where these are declined removing such people from the country.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

New system for stripping Irish citizenship from naturalised immigrants to come into force this year

Previous system was struck down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court three years ago

www.irishtimes.com

 

[leesider]

The upcoming referendum is very much going to be a public vote on immigration.

I think they can see which way its going given their increasingly shrill commentary in recent days.

'Dont believe the rumours about migrants' says Martin

'Don't connect migration with crime', says Varadkar

Meanwhile:
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2023 Sexual assault court cases involving immigrants:

Data engineer (26) accused of sexually assaulting schoolgirl on bus for 40 minutes | BreakingNews.ie

Dublin District Court heard claims that gardaí identified the accused from his Leapcard account

www.breakingnews.ie

https://archive.is/3vBBX

Man jailed for raping former partner beside sleeping baby | BreakingNews.ie

The Central Criminal Court heard that the now 41-year-old man, who cannot be named to protect the woman's identity, had been in a relationship previously with the complainant.

www.breakingnews.ie

Man who sexually assaulted ex sister-in-law and threatened to stab her 50 times is jailed

A man who violently sexually assaulted his former sister-in-law in a prolonged and “terrifying ordeal” in her bed, during which he threatened to stab her 50 times, has been jailed for nine years.

m.sundayworld.com

Galway taxi driver jailed over sexually assaulting sleeping mum

Chloe has bravely spoken out after waking up to find her taxi driver on top of her

www.irishmirror.ie

Asylum seeker accused of sex assault on girl while she played kick the can in Dublin park

AN asylum seeker sexually assaulted a girl while she was out playing “kick the can” with friends in a Dublin park, it is alleged.

m.sundayworld.com

Man accused of sexual assault on teen in Laois

A man appeared in court accused of the sexual assault of a teenage girl in Laois. The 41 year-old man, who has a Laois address and cannot be named due to reporting restrictions, appeared before a sitting of Portlaoise District Court is accused of one count or sexual assault on February 9 last...

www.ireland-live.ie

Sex offender who raped one woman and tried to lure another into car jailed | BreakingNews.ie

Tayyab Salah Uddin (31) acted in “predatory manner” towards the two women who were alone and intoxicated in a town centre after becoming separated from their friends

www.breakingnews.ie

The list goes on and on. Its clearly a growing problem.

Airheads can rabbit on about Irish emigration in the 1870s but we are starting to experience the same social and crime problems that other European nations have already gone through.


The EU has already begun reforming the law on immigration. It’s far beyond time we started properly policing our borders and putting limits and tighter controls in place.

You don’t give stats just a load of articles about immigrants and refugees involved in sexual assaults. It would be interesting to know what the statistics say because as you are probably aware immigrants now make up 20% of the population so do they account for 20% of crime or more? And what types of crimes? And should the age profile be factored in? Etc etc

 

[MerchantOfEnnis]

The upcoming referendum is very much going to be a public vote on immigration.

I think they can see which way its going given their increasingly shrill commentary in recent days.

'Dont believe the rumours about migrants' says Martin

'Don't connect migration with crime', says Varadkar

Meanwhile:
?


2023 Sexual assault court cases involving immigrants:

Data engineer (26) accused of sexually assaulting schoolgirl on bus for 40 minutes | BreakingNews.ie

Dublin District Court heard claims that gardaí identified the accused from his Leapcard account

www.breakingnews.ie

https://archive.is/3vBBX

Man jailed for raping former partner beside sleeping baby | BreakingNews.ie

The Central Criminal Court heard that the now 41-year-old man, who cannot be named to protect the woman's identity, had been in a relationship previously with the complainant.

www.breakingnews.ie

Man who sexually assaulted ex sister-in-law and threatened to stab her 50 times is jailed

A man who violently sexually assaulted his former sister-in-law in a prolonged and “terrifying ordeal” in her bed, during which he threatened to stab her 50 times, has been jailed for nine years.

m.sundayworld.com

Galway taxi driver jailed over sexually assaulting sleeping mum

Chloe has bravely spoken out after waking up to find her taxi driver on top of her

www.irishmirror.ie

Asylum seeker accused of sex assault on girl while she played kick the can in Dublin park

AN asylum seeker sexually assaulted a girl while she was out playing “kick the can” with friends in a Dublin park, it is alleged.

m.sundayworld.com

Man accused of sexual assault on teen in Laois

A man appeared in court accused of the sexual assault of a teenage girl in Laois. The 41 year-old man, who has a Laois address and cannot be named due to reporting restrictions, appeared before a sitting of Portlaoise District Court is accused of one count or sexual assault on February 9 last...

www.ireland-live.ie

Sex offender who raped one woman and tried to lure another into car jailed | BreakingNews.ie

Tayyab Salah Uddin (31) acted in “predatory manner” towards the two women who were alone and intoxicated in a town centre after becoming separated from their friends

www.breakingnews.ie

The list goes on and on. Its clearly a growing problem.

Airheads can rabbit on about Irish emigration in the 1870s but we are starting to experience the same social and crime problems that other European nations have already gone through.


The EU has already begun reforming the law on immigration. Its far beyond time we started properly policing our borders and putting limits and tighter controls in place.

Fukin vile racist pig

 

[Crankycorner]

You don’t give stats just a load of articles about immigrants and refugees involved in sexual assaults. It would be interesting to know what the statistics say because as you are probably aware immigrants now make up 20% of the population so do they account for 20% of crime or more? And what types of crimes? And should the age profile be factored in? Etc etc

Can’t see the post you’re replying to but as far as I am aware the Gardaí don’t keep crime stats by nationality so it would be completely without evidence for anyone to suggest that crime rates are lower in Irish people v immigrants/refugees.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

You don’t give stats just a load of articles about immigrants and refugees involved in sexual assaults. It would be interesting to know what the statistics say because as you are probably aware immigrants now make up 20% of the population so do they account for 20% of crime or more? And what types of crimes? And should the age profile be factored in? Etc etc

Its roughly 15% of the population are now non Irish.

Of those put in prison in Ireland in 2022 its about 21% non Irish. Theres no breakdown available of serious crime by nationality.

What we do have is evidence from others jurisdictions where unchecked immigration/asylum has led to sharp spikes in sexual and violent crime. Perhaps you consider Ireland able to buck the trend?

We have an asylum process that has basically collapsed under the number of people applying from safe countries to avoid visa requirements.

As already mentioned 28% of those surveyed recently in a Sunday Independent poll believe immigration is an important election issue.
75% of those surveyed feel we have taken in more refugees/asylum seekers than we can cope with.

To continue wittering on about the notional far right boogeyman and demonising people with legitimate concerns will prove disastrous for the political parties that try to continue to do so. Whether people like it or not its an issue to the fore and one that requires action.

 

[Crusty Ring]

Its roughly 15% of the population are now non Irish.

Of those put in prison in Ireland in 2022 its about 21% non Irish. Theres no breakdown available of serious crime by nationality.

What we do have is evidence from others jurisdictions where unchecked immigration/asylum has led to sharp spikes in sexual and violent crime. Perhaps you consider Ireland able to buck the trend?

We have an asylum process that has basically collapsed under the number of people applying from safe countries to avoid visa requirements.

As already mentioned 28% of those surveyed recently in a Sunday Independent poll believe immigration is an important election issue.
75% of those surveyed feel we have taken in more refugees/asylum seekers than we can cope with.

To continue wittering on about the notional far right boogeyman and demonising people with legitimate concerns will prove disastrous for the political parties that try to continue to do so. Whether people like it or not its an issue to the fore and one that requires action.

I think we need to be an open, honest and nuanced debate about how we deal with immigration in Ireland.

Personally I don’t have an issue with a certain amount economic migrants who want to come here work and give their families a better life, I’ve lived and worked all over the world so I’m not in a position to deny others similar opportunities. However I worked hard, paid my taxes and respected the laws and cultures of the places where I lived.

We know these people have a lot to offer Irish society and the Eastern European communities are a prime example of this.

When it comes to asylum/refugees it gets a bit more difficult, Again I don’t have a problem with Ireland accepting a fair portion but I feel the wool has been pulled over our eyes for far too long and the system has been allowed to be abused. I would like to see more stringent vetting procedures and timely deportations of those found to not make the required criteria.

Ultimately it needs to be fair and balanced for everyone, what’s the point in accepting thousands of people we can’t house and end up in tents ffs. That’s not good for anyone least of all the poor souls that end up here.

People who need genuine asylum for a variety of reasons should be considered fairly but at the same time the word is out that Ireland is a soft touch with a tidy remuneration package/benefits. I know this has changed recently or is in the process of changing but the point remains the same.

There is a lot of our public sector needs efficiency and effective action but immigration needs and immediate overhaul.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

I think we need to be an open, honest and nuanced debate about how we deal with immigration in Ireland.

Personally I don’t have an issue with a certain amount economic migrants who want to come here work and give their families a better life, I’ve lived and worked all over the world so I’m not in a position to deny others similar opportunities. However I worked hard, paid my taxes and respected the laws and cultures of the places where I lived.

We know these people have a lot to offer Irish society and the Eastern European communities are a prime example of this.

When it comes to asylum/refugees it gets a bit more difficult, Again I don’t have a problem with Ireland accepting a fair portion but I feel the wool has been pulled over our eyes for far too long and the system has been allowed to be abused. I would like to see more stringent vetting procedures and timely deportations of those found to not make the required criteria.

Ultimately it needs to be fair and balanced for everyone, what’s the point in accepting thousands of people we can’t house and end up in tents ffs. That’s not good for anyone least of all the poor souls that end up here.

People who need genuine asylum for a variety of reasons should be considered fairly but at the same time the word is out that Ireland is a soft touch with a tidy remuneration package/benefits. I know this has changed recently or is in the process of changing but the point remains the same.

There is a lot of our public sector needs efficiency and effective action but immigration needs and immediate overhaul.

Good post.

I think theres very few have any issue with immigration, its part and parcel of our society and economically its vital.

What is apparent to most is that our asylum process is not fit for purpose. There's no valid reason for those coming from safe countries to be accomodated by our asylum system. The huge growth in asylum applications from those coming from Georgia/Albania/Algeria all points to major flaws in the process.

If you want to come here as an economic migrant fair enough but you need to meet the visa requirements and be able to support yourself until youre on your feet.
The area badly needs overhauling.

Given we are now telling those who apply for asylum to take a tent and take their chances in December/January weather shows a system thats broken.

Equally so people have a democratic right to have a say in whats being done to the community they live in. Placing 150-200 asylum seekers in rural communities with 100-200 people with no amenities is batshit crazy and is just the blundering action of a department who dont seem to know what the hell theyre doing.

Justice have dropped the ball in allowing people in who have destroyed their documents and Integration are compounding matters in trying to crowbar them into areas that are completely unsuitable.

Imo the political tide is starting to go out on this issue. Public opinion has shifted and simply ignoring peoples valid concerns wont do.

 

[TheEarlofPearl]

There is a lot of our public sector needs efficiency and effective action but immigration needs and immediate overhaul.

The same story with every system that is broken in this country, inefficiencies in the public service( bar the revenue, the worst in Europe). Border control people not doing their jobs, deportation officers not doing their job, justice legal departments not doing their job, NGOs doing their job, effectively leaning on weak snow flakes libtards in government.