Cork Hurlers - Part 2

[Pooman]

The only place I've seen him compared to BC and saying he is the best player on the team is here and as we well know lads here get very excited and carried away over new promising players and blow them out of all proportion. Best to ignore these comparisons and let him develop at his own pace and we will see were he

Ciarán Joyce: 'Only guy you could compare him to is someone like Brian Corcoran'

The second part in Jack McKay's piece looks at how Ciarán Joyce rose to become one of the most prominent young hurlers in the country

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Don't get out much....

 

[Cooltime]

Training will be savage over next few weeks. Pat Ryan will not keep the same starting team if players drop their standard, he has been clear about that, he will reward what he sees in front on him. A vs B challenge games will be intense between guys wanting to keep the jersey, guys wanting to get into the team and guys wanting to make match day panel. He has them where he wants them. Someone pointed out earlier about NOL. His attitude to being dropped has brought him on another level and he was the most consistent back in the round robin. Look at difference in MC, he knows he has to do the dirty work too. PR will want this attitude from all the players.

 

[Rekcuf]

The “one-eyedness” isn’t coming from me. I said Downey has played well but from the sounds of it here you would think he was flawless. We know that’s not the case.

Please stop with the “Tipp side with their backs against the wall” bit. They were awful.

We know nothing about management’s perspective on this because we have no way of knowing how fit Joyce is.

Joyce is our no 1 centre back and should remain so. Downey can be accommodated elsewhere. I wouldn’t be measuring anyone against a limerick team who were not up for it or the worst Tipp team in half a century.
Like someone said it mightn’t be an issue as we may have played our last game already.

 

[halfforward]

If Tipp pull off the shock of the year and beat Clare, we're through no matter what happens in the Limerick v Waterford game?
Hon Tipp

If Tipp win and Lk v WD is a draw.
LK v CE Munster final.
WD through in 3rd.

A draw in LK is the result you don't want.

 

[Pooman]

If Tipp win and Lk v WD is a draw.
LK v CE Munster final.
WD through in 3rd.

A draw in LK is the result you don't want.

Incorrect. Couldn't be arsed explaining why, I've had enough of the permutations at this stage....

 

[Bronxrebel]

Really - who here has posted that Downey was flawless? I think most here accept that Joyce is a good player and we're a much better squad with him than without, and the Downey had two very good performances in the last two games. Where the fanaticism has crept in though is the insistence by some that Joyce MUST start at 6, which is clearly not the case.

You want the TEAM to be better than the sum of the parts. Even if Joyce is better this season at intercounty 6 than Downey (debatable) - the most important thing is the overall package from positions 1-15. If Downey at 6 and Joyce at 9 (for instance) is better in the overall scheme of things then that's how it should be.

Insisting that so-and-so is better individually at 6 (or 3 or 15 etc) than someone else, and as such should start there irrespective of how much better the overall team package might be with someone else playing there and the individual utilized elsewhere is shortsighted.

Put it this way - it was said that John Lennon was a better drummer than Ringo Star, but it's to the benefit of the Beatles that they didn't get hung up on that and they saw the overall package would be better with Lennon playing guitar

I have acknowledged that I appreciate the perspective that Downey playing 6 allows for Joyce to play 5 and improves the HB line overall. I’m not sure I agree but that is a fair argument and much more legitimate than the one that says Downey is just better at 6.

 

[North Cork]

If Tipp win and Lk v WD is a draw.
LK v CE Munster final.
WD through in 3rd.

A draw in LK is the result you don't want.

In that scenario Cork go through, Waterford lose out.

 

[Bronxrebel]

Joyce is our no 1 centre back and should remain so. Downey can be accommodated elsewhere. I wouldn’t be measuring anyone against a limerick team who were not up for it or the worst Tipp team in half a century.
Like someone said it mightn’t be an issue as we may have played our last game already.

You and I are in the extreme minority on this apparently. Let’s hope we end up with more matches to ponder it.

 

[Thistlecrack]

In that scenario Cork go through, Waterford lose out.

Waterford will have 4 as do we and they've the H2H on us.

 

[Crankycorner]

Waterford will have 4 as do we and they've the H2H on us.

So would Clare. 3 teams on 4 points which would mean it’s scoring difference not H2H.