Immigration Thread

[TheOutdoorThreadmill]

Heard talk of an unused guest house been used, some locals unhappy

For a change

 

[jimmym]

cusack will say those who show hurling ability can stay

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Oh no, the far right....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659572448872783873

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Lol

Fugitive killer Dube surfaces in Ireland

The Leading Family Newspaper in Zimbabwe

www.sundaymail.co.zw

Those entering the country without travel documents should be turned away at the airport.

What they are allowing at the moment is completely bonkers.

 

[Coach and Six]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658782050243993601

"Just asking questions"

Specifically heavily loaded 'questions' generating the suggestion of unconstitutional political interference in the justice system.
The type of questions proudly 'unvaxed' love to ask to rile up their supporters.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

"Just asking questions"

Specifically heavily loaded 'questions' generating the suggestion of unconstitutional political interference in the justice system.
The type of questions proudly 'unvaxed' love to ask to rile up their supporters.

Heres a question.

Do you think allowing undocumented immigrants into the country is a sound policy?

 

[Coach and Six]

Those entering the country without travel documents should be turned away at the airport.

What they are allowing at the moment is completely bonkers.

It is but is the issue not that lots of people who genuinely deserve asylum are often without documentation because it is taken from them by traffickers or they've escaped their home country in the underside of a truck after escaping from prison or evading the secret police who were coming to torture them?

Why do some protection applicants arrive without a passport? How many and why do people not present a passport on arrival at the airport?​

• A travel document and passport is a crucial form of identity, without it a person may struggle to show that they are from the country they say they are from. 70,000 people applied for protection, from Ukraine and around the world in Ireland, in 2022, a small proportion did not have a document. We should be careful about overstating that being undocumented is a widespread phenomenon. It is also worth noting, that reports state that people did not provide a document. We recommend caution around an automatic assumption that it was destroyed.
• Article 31 of the Refugee Convention14 states a person seeking refugee status must still have their application processed even if he or she has entered a state illegally. The International Protection Act states that a person who is at the frontier of the State (whether lawfully or unlawfully) may make an application for international protection. This rationale exists because there is no visa to claim asylum, and it is very difficult for a person from a refugee-producing country to get a visa. People are often forced to travel in a way that requires them to travel in illegal or irregular ways, including using a smuggler who may take the passport back off the person when travelling. A person, in our experience, may not produce a document for several reasons:
  • Fear of retribution: For some, it will not have been possible or safe for them to obtain passports or visas to travel. For example, in Afghanistan passports were not being issued for months, and people put their lives at risk by attending the offices to seek a passport. For this reason, some people will have no option but to rely on a false documents to travel. They fear retribution if this is discovered and do not feel comfortable disclosing documents.
  • Fear of immediate removal: some people may fear if they produce the document they will be immediately removed back to the country of origin or the country from which they have travelled from.
  • Smugglers and traffickers: People are often forced to travel in a way that requires them to travel in illegal or irregular ways, including using a smuggler who may take the passport back off the person when travelling.
• It is worth noting that safe pathways were opened for people fleeing Ukraine in the aftermath of the Russian invasion. People were allowed to board flights with birth certificates or internal identity documents. Visa rules were significantly loosened. This was a commendable response.
• Section 20 of the International Protection Act does give the power to arrest someone if they have not made reasonable efforts to establish their identity or if they have destroyed their travel document.

Why do some protection applicants arrive without a passport? How many and why do people not present a passport on arrival at the airport?

A travel document and passport is a crucial form of identity, without it a person may struggle to show that they are from the country they say they are from. 70,000 people applied for protection, from Ukraine and around the world in Ireland, in 2022, a small proportion did not have a document...

www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie

I don't think our Immigration control crowd can turn people away based on the fact that they have no documentation because under international law if you claim asylum you don't necessarily have to have your documents.

Ancedotally at least, lots of people are taking the piss now by throwing away their documentation and using that as the excuse. We can't go on blindly filling 'factories' with refugees. Are the government even pretending to do something about it?

The normalisation of anti-refugee protests in the country is very disappointing.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

I wouldn't agree.

The general consensus is that those arriving without documentation are destroying their travel documents en route.

Its a simple solution, no travel documents you're not getting in. Try the same in the U.S. and you're getting deported and a travel ban.


Heres another question. Do you think placing 68 asylum seekers in a village of 50 people is a sensible strategy?

 

[catcha]

Heres another question. Do you think placing 68 asylum seekers in a village of 50 people is a sensible strategy?

Depends. If that village and surrounding area has one family name present, this actually can be a blessing

 

[Stacky]

Irish Times
Conor Gallagher
Thu May 18 2023 - 05:00
The number of people entering Ireland having lost or destroyed their travel documents has fallen significantly amid an accommodation shortage for asylum seekers and after tougher enforcement measures were introduced.

Some 780 people presented at Dublin Airport in the first quarter of this year without passports, down 38 per cent on the previous quarter and 50 per cent on the peak figure last year, according to Department of Justice figures provided to The Irish Times. However, the numbers presenting at immigration control having lost or destroyed their documentation is still significantly higher than in previous years.

The fall coincides with an overall decrease in the numbers seeking asylum this year following record numbers last year when an average of 1,137 applicants arrived in Ireland each month. In the first quarter the average was 997 a month, a 12 per cent decrease.

People arriving without a passport are still entitled to claim asylum under Irish and international law. However, it is also an offence for travellers to land in the State without a valid travel document. Just one person has been charged with this offence since 2019, but no conviction was recorded.

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Last year a total of 4,200 people arrived in Dublin Airport without documentation, with the majority claiming asylum on reaching immigration control. In some cases those involved are brought to Ireland by human traffickers who seize their passports before they reach immigration control.

The surge prompted the Government to introduce measures to combat the issue. Gardaí have been deployed to overseas airports to co-ordinate checks on travel documents of people travelling to Ireland and the Government has pressured airlines to be more vigilant for people destroying documents before disembarking.