Sinn Fein are not a Normal Political Party

[Stacky]

Or is it that you think the electorate of the north aren't quite as astute as you?

Put up any poll taken over say the past 4 years that has a majority or even close for a United Ireland.

Sound_y?

 

[menace404]

You mustn't have been paying much attention to what's been going on politically since the GFA. Nationalists agree deals with Unionists and/or the British Government and then those deals get reneged on and they look for more. Suggest postponing a BP for another 50 years and there's little doubt that in 45 years time they'll spit the dummy and want another deferral. All despite the fact that this was an international agreement signed up to a generation ago. Just how many more generations of nationalists do you think should be discommoded to please you?

If, as you so confidently predict, there won't be a majority for unification for another 20 years then why not put it to the test? Why not let everybody know all the pros and cons and vote on it. And accept the majority decision? Or is it that you think the electorate of the north aren't quite as astute as you?

Because we’ll end up with our very own Brexit shitshow. This can’t be rushed. Do you not see that you are parroting a Brexiteer approach.
Plan - Yes
Ram through a poll date - No. Suicide for the island. Ala Brexit.

 

[SoundMan]

Here's a tip: persuade enough people of the validity of your position, and you may get enough votes to be in a position to implement your policies, including the timetable for a border poll.

I'm guessing here, but I guess that most people are now fully aware that SF would like to have a border poll as soon as possible, and would like to set out a timetable for when it should happen so that people can prepare for one.

But feel free to continue to call for one, and maybe, just maybe, your organisation will get enough votes in an election in either jurisdiction. In my humble opinion, it would appear that given the ongoing polls both real, and opinion, SF can count on a significant minority of the electorate in both parts of the island to vote for them..

The problem for SF, would appear to be that there is a majority of people in both parts of the island who choose not to vote for SF.

Hence the inability to get policies implemented. But feel free to continue to repeat "Border Poll, Border Poll, Border Poll, Border Poll, Border Poll, Border Poll, Border Poll, Border Poll, Border Poll, Border Poll, Border Poll, Border Poll, Border Poll, Border Poll, Border Poll, Border Poll," ad infinitum if it makes you feel better, and helps you vent your feelings. This is common for people who are convinced that everyone else is wrong, and that their minority view is in fact, correct.

Here's a tip, when pretending to know what and when it is SF are calling for, actually listen to what and when it is SF are calling for.

MLMD as recently as this weekend said that they weren't calling for an immediate BP. And your insistence that they are shows you up for what you are.

Your "majority of people in both parts of the island choose not to vote for SF" is an interesting take. As it happens they're the biggest party in both parliaments but that aside, it's not just SF who want a Border Poll, or at least who say they want a Border Poll. Unless of course they want to contravene the GFA and aspire to having a United Ireland without aspiring to having a Border Poll on the issue first. You and your pals can shout "Never, never, never" to a Border Poll all you like but don't then try to pretend that at the same time you aspire to being in or having a United Ireland.

The simple fact of the matter is NOBODY can have a United Ireland without FIRST having a Border Poll. To claim you aspire to a United Ireland but to want to defer a Border Poll for as long as possible, some here want another 50 years, is akin to saying you aspire to Cork City FC winning the FA Cup but don't ever want CCFC to play in the UK. One has to happen before the other can.

A Border Poll MUST take place BEFORE a United Ireland can be achieved, unless you want to renege on an internationally ratified inter-governmental agreement that was voted for in overwhelming numbers by people from all over this island.

 

[SoundMan]

Who said otherwise? You really are struggling to follow posts. Try reading the reading the thread again instead of rushing to save you fellow Shinnerbot from his stupidity. He knew nothing about the Assembly, the GFA, powersharing etc. You defence of his lack of knowledge is laughable.

Epic Fail

 

[Stacky]

Here's a tip, when pretending to know what and when it is SF are calling for, actually listen to what and when it is SF are calling for.

MLMD as recently as this weekend said that they weren't calling for an immediate BP. And your insistence that they are shows you up for what you are.

[I]SoundMa[/I]n

If, as you so confidently predict, there won't be a majority for unification for another 20 years then why not put it to the test? Why not let everybody know all the pros and cons and vote on it. And accept the majority decision? Or is it that you think the electorate of the north aren't quite as astute as you?​

Volunteer Sound_y arguing against Mary Lou

 

[SoundMan]

All done for parity of esteem.

S.F. & the D.U.P. nicely stitched up power for themselves anyway and now Alliance are seen as a more credible alternative.

I think you'll find it was the two governments as much as anybody did that because back in 1998 nobody could envisage that the Alliance Party would be as strong as they are. It has proven a bit short sighted in retrospect, and as I have said many times already on PROC, the stipulation that it should be nationalist or unionist should be removed. It should be the largest and second largest parties imho

 

[SoundMan]

Because we’ll end up with our very own Brexit shitshow. This can’t be rushed. Do you not see that you are parroting a Brexiteer approach.
Plan - Yes
Ram through a poll date - Suicide for the island. Ala Brexit.

Brexit????

Which part of DISCUSSING a Border Poll where ALL of the pros and cons are aired are you having difficulty with?

It's you're the one trying to re-enact a brexit type mess by ignoring it continuously until finally the dam bursts and all kinds of nonsense is spouted in the subsequent outflow.

If the mishandling of Brexit showed us anything it was surely that with an emotive issue that was ignored for many years and as the frustration of inaction grew people could be fooled by lies repeated often enough even in the face of logic.

DISCUSS rather than hide away from the holding of a Border Poll. Uncover all of the pros and all of the cons. Discuss it. Then vote on it. And accept the will of the people

 

[TheOutdoorThreadmill]

Epic Fail

Wow, way to ignore the post, of course you did, because you got caught by the hole again, just like yesterday.

 

[Stacky]

If the mishandling of Brexit showed us anything it was surely that with an emotive issue that was ignored for many years and as the frustration of inaction grew people could be fooled by lies repeated often enough even in the face of logic.

Brexit was never an "emotive" issue for the British electorate and there was never any screaming for a Brexit poll until UKIP started to eat into the Tories power base driven by right-wingers and then David Cameron foolishly agreed to have a referendum which was then highjacked by Russia and dodgy funding to try to destabilise the E.U. and feed the right-wing nationalists red meat.

Thus Brexit has been an unmitigated disaster as it was never even thought through in the first place and now they are just simply ignoring the effects as it is too embarrassing to even to admit to reality of poor decision making and daft slogans that were nonsense.

A "United Ireland" poll is also not an "emotive issue" and apart from yourself no one is screaming for one every other day.

 

[SoundMan]

Wow, way to ignore the post, of course you did, because you got caught by the hole again, just like yesterday.

Wrong again Earl. You tried to lecture me about "reading the reading" posts whereas if you followed your own advice you wouldn't have posted that mess. But of course practicing what you preach isn't your thing as you're the biggest hypocrite on PROC