The Green Party - how will their policies affect folk

[SoundMan]

Irish Examiner 08th September 2021

The return to growth in Cork Airport’s traffic will end this week, however, with the airport to shut for 10 weeks on Monday as the runway reconstruction project gets under way. An empty Aer Lingus aircraft flying to Shannon on Sunday evening will be the last departure until the airport reopens on Monday, November 22.

Kevin Cullinane, spokesperson for the DAA, which operates Cork and Dublin airports, said that while
traffic is improving at Cork, this remains the best time to carry out the works.

“When the pandemic brought in restrictions, we moved to have this project brought forward,” he said.

“We went to our board and the Government to source funding and began the procurement process. From the time we got a commitment to where we are now is 12 months. Normally a project like this would take at least three years.
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“Carrying out the works now, over 10 weeks, will also impact fewer passengers.

CEO Shannon Group Mary Considine with minister of State Hildegarde Naughton at Shannon Airport recently. Picture: Arthur Ellis

CEO Shannon Group Mary Considine with minister of State Hildegarde Naughton at Shannon Airport recently. Picture: Arthur Ellis
“We estimate that 20,000 potential passengers will be impacted by the closure. However, based on the commitments from airlines, we expect 1.5m passengers through Cork next year. To carry out the works then would impact a far greater number of travellers.”

Business groups in Cork have said they understand the nature of the airport closure. Pat Dawson, the CEO of the Irish Travel Agents Association, said he understood the reasoning behind the works, but said travellers have been impacted.

“I know of several golf groups who were booked for Spain who are now going out of Shannon instead,” he said.

“However, we understand there is no good time for works like this, and there would always be an impact.

“And from the bookings, we have seen we do see a strong recovery for Cork Airport into the future once the works are finished.”

Cork Chamber chief executive Conor Healy said that they do not see a return to any significant business travel for a number of months.

“While it will have some impact, the work is being done at a point in time where the minimum number of passengers would be impacted,” he said.

“There will be some impact with regard to inbound tourism. Those who may have sought to travel out of Cork for leisure will be impacted.

“However, in terms of business, the reality there will be very limited levels of business travel up to the end of the year.

“In fact, the alternative was to carry out the runway works at night over a much longer period. This would have a greater impact on business travel, as it would mean the possible reduction of early morning and late-night flights in and out of Cork.”

The €40m runway reconstruction project is being carried out by French engineering firm Colas.

Ah, so you do accept the airport will close for 10 weeks. You got there in the end.

How exactly is it minimum impact when by their own admission the number of passengers had returned to growth before they shut it down. Minimum impact would have been to do it when passenger numbers were (unsurprisingly) at a minimum anyway - during the pandemic.

Weren't we previously told that the way other airports do such work IS by night when there could be minimum disruption to flights - think the airport is shut in terms of flights from about midnight to 6AM anyway.

Shutting the airport for a chunk of 10 weeks does affect business but of course the spin they put on it is to say "there'll be the minimum of business up to the end of the year" - no shit sherlock. That's not because business doesn't usually happen in the months of September-November but because ye have shut the f**ken airport down!

For example, a number of our visiting Service Engineers have had to reschedule or come through dublin with huge cost increase as a result, because of this. Business doesn't just stop, but it is very inconvenienced.

And shutting a business down for 10 weeks means your customers go elsewhere - primarily dublin. Oh how very fortuitous.

And once you lose customers, it's harder to get them back than it would have been to retain them.

 

[SoundMan]

Most large German airports are state-owned.

French airports are also mostly state owned.


The D.A.A. is an Irish semi-state company.


All explained in todays Irish Examiner article on the Cork Airport works posted above

State owned. Exactly!
So it's in the best interest of the state for them all to be run well. That is not the case in Ireland. The less traffic through Cork and Shannon, the more flows through Dublin, who used to control Shannon as well but still controls Cork Airport.

DUBLIN (that's not a coincidental name btw) Airport Authority had control of Dublin, Cork, and Shannon airports. Noonan got Shannon airport out from under the control of Dublin AA but Simey couldn't get the same autonomy for Cork Airport.



Ryan Air wanted to use Cork's old terminal and make Cork a hub - Oh no you don't says Dublin becuase while that would have been good for Cork Airport and given all kinds of flights and schedules that would adversely affect dublin airport. Not alone would it have dramatically reduced the number of Cork passengers having to fly to their chosen destination from dublin, it would have given alternatives to people in Munster in general who would now have an option out of Cork. And that would have undermined any justification for the huge expansions in dublin airport.

Cork Airport is Dublin Airport's bitch and will continue to be for as long as DUBLIN Airport Authority calls the shots.

 

[Stacky]

Ah, so you do accept the airport will close for 10 weeks. You got there in the end.

How exactly is it minimum impact when by their own admission the number of passengers had returned to growth before they shut it down. Minimum impact would have been to do it when passenger numbers were (unsurprisingly) at a minimum anyway - during the pandemic.

Weren't we previously told that the way other airports do such work IS by night when there could be minimum disruption to flights - think the airport is shut in terms of flights from about midnight to 6AM anyway.

Shutting the airport for a chunk of 10 weeks does affect business but of course the spin they put on it is to say "there'll be the minimum of business up to the end of the year" - no shit sherlock. That's not because business doesn't usually happen in the months of September-November but because ye have shut the f**ken airport down!

For example, a number of our visiting Service Engineers have had to reschedule or come through dublin with huge cost increase as a result, because of this. Business doesn't just stop, but it is very inconvenienced.

And shutting a business down for 10 weeks means your customers go elsewhere - primarily dublin. Oh how very fortuitous.

And once you lose customers, it's harder to get them back than it would have been to retain them.

07-09-21
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Originally Posted by Stacky View Post
The airport is being closed for 10 weeks so all the works can be carried out safely and a big investment completed.

Welcome to yesterday.

 

[Stacky]

State owned. Exactly!
So it's in the best interest of the state for them all to be run well. That is not the case in Ireland. The less traffic through Cork and Shannon, the more flows through Dublin, who used to control Shannon as well but still controls Cork Airport.

DUBLIN (that's not a coincidental name btw) Airport Authority had control of Dublin, Cork, and Shannon airports. Noonan got Shannon airport out from under the control of Dublin AA but Simey couldn't get the same autonomy for Cork Airport.



Ryan Air wanted to use Cork's old terminal and make Cork a hub - Oh no you don't says Dublin becuase while that would have been good for Cork Airport and given all kinds of flights and schedules that would adversely affect dublin airport. Not alone would it have dramatically reduced the number of Cork passengers having to fly to their chosen destination from dublin, it would have given alternatives to people in Munster in general who would now have an option out of Cork. And that would have undermined any justification for the huge expansions in dublin airport.

Cork Airport is Dublin Airport's bitch and will continue to be for as long as DUBLIN Airport Authority calls the shots.

Public servant who "works" for the State and gives out about the State but wants a private company (Ryanair) to run an airport terminal in competition with the State.

 

[SoundMan]

Welcome to yesterday.

The same yesterday where you said "Runway No.02 will still be open for small aircraft and helicopter's etc."


:roll:

 

[SoundMan]

Public servant who "works" for the State and gives out about the State but wants a private company (Ryanair) to run an airport terminal in competition with the State.

Wants to make Cork Airport a viable airport for the people of this region and not have to go cap in hand to DUBLIN Airport Authority who have a vested interest. It's all probably gone way over your head though :roll:

 

[Stacky]

The same yesterday where you said "Runway No.02 will still be open for small aircraft and helicopter's etc."


:roll:

You did not even read or understand todays article in the Examiner.


Fair enough.


Stay outraged at everything.

 

[Sham Corkman]

I think you’re chasing your tail on this one.

Capital projects like this frustratingly take time to follow due process, even in the slickest of private or publicly listed firms, never mind a semi-state with public funding. I think the 12 month turnaround is amazing when you understand how things work, state involvement slows everything down too.

As an example of how public versus private timelines differ, look at how prolonged the public job hiring process is:

https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/information-hub/our-recruitment-process

Most private companies are now working to a plan that involves a screening interview, and then a follow combined tech/management interview.

I would rather a 10 week stint that knocks out the whole job, than a prolonged drawn out series of disruptions. From what has been written recently the airfield is antiquated, looks like it’s more than a re-tarring job.

Better to close it during off peak than over Christmas, it simply wasn’t possible to bring it forward any sooner.

It’s not like those coming home don’t have temporary alternative routes. Dublin airport is 2hr40 up the road.

 

[bluesball]

Saw green policies work a few weeks ago.Was returning from the all ireland semi final stopped in the motorway service station on the cork side of Portlaoise. When leaving i saw 3 cars been charged and another 3 waiting to be charged.
Asked one of the lads at work who drives a hybrid car how long would it be before the waiting cars would be leaving the service station,to be told i would more than likely be in Cork before the last car was fully charged.
No electric car for me until i car get a clean run to and from dublin on the one charge.

 

[SoundMan]

You did not even read or understand todays article in the Examiner.


Fair enough.


Stay outraged at everything.

Irish Examiner 08th September 2021

The return to growth in Cork Airport’s traffic will end this week, however, with the airport to shut for 10 weeks on Monday as the runway reconstruction project gets under way.....

Do you mean that article that I already addressed at the top of this page and you replied to my response :shock:

Don't ever change Stacy :lol: