Immigration Thread

Unfortunately I have a feeling that the standard in that prison is too good for him to feel he is in anyway suffering

:mad:
The pr*ck should be deported asap. It's the likes of him who's come to the attention of authorities in a number of jurisdictions so many times that he's had his fingerprints taken 27+ times that gives people such a wariness and suspicion even about genuine asylum seekers.

Shows just how inadequate it is as well to be merely taking someone potential asylum seeker's fingerprints for processing whenever. Keep asylum seekers in holding areas and do not let them loose into the country until their fingerprints have been checked with interpol (I'd be for taking a DNA sample as well). If they've committed crimes, or in this case multiple crimes, elsewhere then we don't need them here, thanks very much.

Absolutely scandalous that people like that can be permitted to repeatedly carry on that way. And of course someone so very obviously playing the system got legal aid as well - no doubt paid for by Irish taxpayers. They are a blight on society - serial illegal criminal immigrants, not the legalistas. Well not as much anyway ;)
 

I think what FSG may have meant was that pro-rata we are taking in way over the EU average number of Ukrainians, which we are.

And the strange thing in all of this is that in all of the EU we are the most remote country from Ukraine. Ukrainians pass through a number of other EU countries to come to our shores.

For people said to be fleeing war and oppression it seems strange that one would travel much further and obviously at much more expense to get to a place of refuge having passed plenty of suitable countries on the way. An enquiring mind would ask why would that be the case?

Was it that Ireland was known as "The land of a thousand welcomes"? Or that we Irish had so much in common historically and culturally with Ukrainians? Or could it possibly be that the Irish government, in it's usual virtue signaling, wanting to be EU best in class/teacher pet, had been offering assistance to Ukrainian refugees that far outstripped what was on offer to them in the rest of the EU which was nearer to them and thus much easier and cheaper for them to reach?

"You do the math"
 
I think what FSG may have meant was that pro-rata we are taking in way over the EU average number of Ukrainians, which we are.

And the strange thing in all of this is that in all of the EU we are the most remote country from Ukraine. Ukrainians pass through a number of other EU countries to come to our shores.

For people said to be fleeing war and oppression it seems strange that one would travel much further and obviously at much more expense to get to a place of refuge having passed plenty of suitable countries on the way. An enquiring mind would ask why would that be the case?

Was it that Ireland was known as "The land of a thousand welcomes"? Or that we Irish had so much in common historically and culturally with Ukrainians? Or could it possibly be that the Irish government, in it's usual virtue signaling, wanting to be EU best in class/teacher pet, had been offering assistance to Ukrainian refugees that far outstripped what was on offer to them in the rest of the EU which was nearer to them and thus much easier and cheaper for them to reach?

"You do the math"
Not defending the government here but I would suggest one thing needs to be factored in. The refugee crisis as a result of the invasion of Ukraine happened very suddenly and the government needed to react quickly to ensure any refugees that came here were sufficiently looked after.

I agree that it is now time to scale back supports and that urgent action is needed at EU level to address the challenges that countries like Ireland are having in meeting our obligation to take in asylum seekers. We’ve always sought to extend the hand to those in need but there’s only so much we can give too.
 
Not defending the government here but I would suggest one thing needs to be factored in. The refugee crisis as a result of the invasion of Ukraine happened very suddenly and the government needed to react quickly to ensure any refugees that came here were sufficiently looked after.

I agree that it is now time to scale back supports and that urgent action is needed at EU level to address the challenges that countries like Ireland are having in meeting our obligation to take in asylum seekers. We’ve always sought to extend the hand to those in need but there’s only so much we can give too.

I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with our government coming to the rescue of Ukrainian refugees and seeing they were sufficiently looked after. But we are part of an EU collective - surely tafaq even for our government it wouldn't be beyond their wit to see what was the norm in other EU countries sufficiently looking after Ukrainian refugees. Why did Ireland have to go way OTT on it?
 
Not defending the government here but I would suggest one thing needs to be factored in. The refugee crisis as a result of the invasion of Ukraine happened very suddenly and the government needed to react quickly to ensure any refugees that came here were sufficiently looked after.

I agree that it is now time to scale back supports and that urgent action is needed at EU level to address the challenges that countries like Ireland are having in meeting our obligation to take in asylum seekers. We’ve always sought to extend the hand to those in need but there’s only so much we can give too.
The frightening thing is the government said they were expecting 250,000.
We've taken in 104,000 and it has been an absolute disaster.
I've no issue with Ireland helping out.
My issue is with how we have tried to be the best boys in the class in the EU.
Where was all this multi agency thinking for Irish homeless problems?
We were consistently told "nothing could be done overnight" yet Irish homeless figures continue to increase while we spend billions housing refugees and people are getting incredibly rich.
Hotels being paid 300% more per room than they normally get.
And people coming here getting medical cards while Irish people €1 over the financial threshold get refused.
 
:mad:
The pr*ck should be deported asap. It's the likes of him who's come to the attention of authorities in a number of jurisdictions so many times that he's had his fingerprints taken 27+ times that gives people such a wariness and suspicion even about genuine asylum seekers.

Shows just how inadequate it is as well to be merely taking someone potential asylum seeker's fingerprints for processing whenever. Keep asylum seekers in holding areas and do not let them loose into the country until their fingerprints have been checked with interpol (I'd be for taking a DNA sample as well). If they've committed crimes, or in this case multiple crimes, elsewhere then we don't need them here, thanks very much.

Absolutely scandalous that people like that can be permitted to repeatedly carry on that way. And of course someone so very obviously playing the system got legal aid as well - no doubt paid for by Irish taxpayers. They are a blight on society - serial illegal criminal immigrants, not the legalistas. Well not as much anyway ;)
They were lying about taking finger prints and, up to mid April, they
weren't even asking people who got to Ireland from a country where there are no direct flights how they got here.
You couldn't make it up
McEntee was asked why, when countries who we have a returns policy with agreed to take back 184 people we only sent back 3, said she didn't know.
It was pointed out Germany sent back 4000, France 3000 and she said "they're bigger countries" & when it was pointed out "not 1000 times bigger" she had no answer.
An absolute shit show of a government.
Completely clueless.
All rabbits caught in the headlights.
 
Miriam Lord reporting there were tetchy scenes in the dail yesterday, Simon Harris said some SF candidates have leaflets pledging
to end open borders, MLMD and DOL reacted angrily denying this, Aodhan o Riordan Backed Harris on this saying he has seen the leaflets,
 
Miriam Lord reporting there were tetchy scenes in the dail yesterday, Simon Harris said some SF candidates have leaflets pledging
to end open borders, MLMD and DOL reacted angrily denying this, Aodhan o Riordan Backed Harris on this saying he has seen the leaflets,
The government currently in charge said there'd be no more tented villages popping up❌
The government currently in charge said they were finger printing people at the airport❌
The government currently in charge said when people arrived at the IPO they were always asked about how they got here if there were no direct flights❌
"But but leaflets"
Pathetic.
 
Miriam Lord reporting there were tetchy scenes in the dail yesterday, Simon Harris said some SF candidates have leaflets pledging
to end open borders, MLMD and DOL reacted angrily denying this, Aodhan o Riordan Backed Harris on this saying he has seen the leaflets,

Miriam Lord
Wed May 8 2024 - 21:44
Crumbs.

Talk about having your 32-county cake and eating it.

Sinn Féin is opposed to open borders. (But don’t look too closely into this doctrine because, like the aforementioned borders, it seems a bit porous.)

Don’t take our word for it – it’s printed in their election literature: “The Government has no plan for immigration. Their approach has been shambolic. Sinn Féin is opposed to open borders – Ireland, like every other country must have control of its borders.”

These are the opening lines in the section headed “Immigration” which is highlighted in reverse type on the party’s local election leaflets.

So what about the open border between Northern Ireland and the remaining 26 counties? Is Sinn Féin opposed to that? And where stands the Common Travel Area between Ireland and the UK?


The party’s opposition to open borders is so strong that its spokesperson on social protection, Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire, made a video standing in front of Leinster House underlining this position.

But it’s not about closing borders. Or policing them. Or doing anything else other than opposing them.

Which it sounds good, reads well, doesn’t require action and will appeal to the growing number of voters presenting election candidates with difficult queries about the large number of migrants coming into Ireland each week, with the overwhelming majority now coming from the North.

They are travelling across an open border.

Or are they? When it’s neither here nor there because you don’t recognise it in the first place?

It’s confusing.

When the Dáil returned on Wednesday, the Taoiseach was genuinely puzzled about where Sinn Féin stands on the border question. That was unexpected. Normally – and for long as anyone can remember – there was never any cause for doubt.

The confusion arose after he was questioned about the Government’s response to housing asylum seekers and, specifically, the second “tent city” proliferating along Dublin’s Grand Canal in the vicinity of the International Protection Office.

Simon Harris told Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald, Labour’s Ivana Bacik, Jennifer Whitmore of the Social Democrats and Rural Independent Mattie McGrath that he dealt decisively with the first encampment which was removed last week and he would do the same again with the latest one.

“I’m telling you now – we are dealing with the Grand Canal. Action will be taken.”

But he said “a broader discussion” is needed around the issue of migration.

“If it is just solely one about accommodation, we will find ourselves in a situation where we provide more accommodation and that accommodation will fill up.”

He called for honest debate because some parties in the Dáil are now talking about “not being in favour of open borders”.

And which open border on the island of Ireland does the Sinn Féin leader want to close, he wondered, because the subject never came up when he was in Belfast last week.

Mary Lou McDonald looked nonplussed.

The Taoiseach informed her that her party’s local election candidates “are delivering leaflets promising that it will end the open-border policy”.

“They aren’t, actually,” said Mary Lou.

Simon wondered if she might explain what the leaflets mean because as he has no idea.

Mary Lou’s colleague Donnchadh Ó Laoighaire backed up her assertion that they do not pledge that Sinn Féin will end the open-border policy.

“It’s true,” shouted Labour’s Aodhán Ó Riordáin.

Whereupon the Taoiseach backed up his assertion. He directed the Sinn Féin leader to Donnchadh “the very fine deputy sitting beside you” who said in his video that his party is against an open-border policy.

The TD for Cork South Central was incensed. He wanted to correct the “factually untrue” statement about what was in the leaflets.

Simon Harris, through the shouting from across the floor, declared he was looking forward to a Dáil debate on our open-door policy because there isn’t one, apart from the one...”

And he was drowned out before he could say it is the one on the island of Ireland between the six and the 26 counties

A noisy back and forth ensued between Donnchadh, who denies that Sinn Féin’s leaflet advocates closing open borders and Aodhán, who saw the leaflets.

“I’m sorry, but I don’t know what’s going on here,” murmured mystified Simon. “Even the rest of the Opposition thinks it’s true.”

The Ceann Comhairle waded in and reprimanded Ó Laoghaire for being out of order. He can’t be accusing the Taoiseach of telling untruths.

“It’s not in order to tell untruths,” countered the Sinn Féin man, on his feet and angry.

Minister for Housing Darragh O’Brien, in the mood for a scrap, told him to go back and watch himself in his video.

“You were in the video,” crowed the Taoiseach.

“You were in the video standing outside on the plinth,” spluttered Darragh as Donnchadh continued to protest.

“Was it AI generated?”

Never mind the video (which contains the same material as the leaflets). Deputy Ó Laoghaire just wanted to make clear that the Taoiseach’s statement that Sinn Féin candidates are delivering literature saying the party will “end open borders” is simply not true.

Never mind the literature (which mirrors the video). “To assist the House,” Taoiseach Harris said he would rephrase his point.

“The Sinn Féin deputy sitting beside deputy McDonald appears in a video on the plinth offering to close open borders.”

“No!” cried Mary Lou.

“Not true either!” roared Donnchadh.

Technically, they are right.

On the broader picture, the Taoiseach is right.

He accused Sinn Féin of “trying to play to people’s worst fears” and said he just wants to know what open Irish borders the party is talking about.

In the video, deputy Ó Laoghaire says: “Sinn Féin opposes open borders and advocates for a fair, efficient and enforced immigration system that respects the human rights of those fleeing conflict and persecution.”

But where?

It was posted on Facebook a couple of weeks ago, attracting comments mainly of the “What took you so long?” variety. Some replies doubted the motives behind the “opposed to all open borders” statement.

“Changing your tune now you know people are against it” was one which triggered a response from Sinn Féin Ireland.

“Not true. This has been our position for decades.” Apparently it was in the last election manifesto and has always been clear at community level, in media, social media and on the floor of the Dáil.

Speaking after the party’s local and European elections launch in Dublin, Mary Lou McDonald was adamant. “Anyone who says that Sinn Féin is for open borders is wrong,” she said.

In the Dáil, Simon Harris wanted to know what this dangling principle actually means.

After the minor contretemps in the chamber, matters cooled down when a vote was called. Donnchadh signalled across to the Taoiseach and the two men met in the middle of the floor and had a conversation.



Mary Lou and Donnacha badly tying themselves up in knots while trying to sit on the fence as usual.

Flying kites about "open borders" and getting busted for it.

Dog whistle stuff from S.F. for their demographic.

It comes after Sinn Féin shared a video on social media of TD Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire speaking about the EU Migration Pact, in which he said the party was “opposed to open borders”.

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Miriam Lord reporting there were tetchy scenes in the dail yesterday, Simon Harris said some SF candidates have leaflets pledging
to end open borders, MLMD and DOL reacted angrily denying this, Aodhan o Riordan Backed Harris on this saying he has seen the leaflets,

Has anyone produced any of these alleged SF party leaflets pledging to end open borders or is it all hearsay at the moment?
 
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