Cork Hurlers - Part 2

[Hurlywurly]

Once again because people don't seem to be getting it.
If Waterford beat Tipp we are out because if two teams tie on points it goes on the result between the two. They beat Tipp then they have a minimum of 4 points which is the maximum we can get(unlikely but technically possible). We meed Tipp and Limerick and Clare to beat Waterford and then hope Clare beat Tipp and then beat Tipp in the last game so that three teams are equal on two points so it goes down to points difference. Even if we beat Limerick we still need Tipp to beat Waterford.

Wrong.
If Waterford beat Tipp and Clare, they're on 6 points.
If Tipp then beat Clare, Clare stay on 2 points.
We would obviously have to beat both Tipp and Lim in this unlikely scenario.

 

[Crankycorner]

No were not this simply isn’t correct, we lost a game today by 2 points vs the second best team in the country having played 20 minutes plus down a man….it means we are actually close to being competitive however every mistake we make is amplified.
Our sideline have certainly not helped this championship at all, the subs brought on were awful and that was clear before they came on, the keeper has been off the standard for a while, a change in the half back line was needed and wasn’t made….each of these mistakes kill the team, like the selection vs Waterford and slowness to change, this team has a basis to be more competitive but this season is over because at this level you have to make less mistakes on both sides of the line then the other team

We make these mistakes so consistently that it’s a bigger issue. We’re not good enough and haven’t been for some time.

Don’t let the margin of defeat yesterday fool us. We lost by 3 after scoring a late goal. We were up by 7 at one stage and 15 minutes later down by 6. A 13 point swing. We got a late goal against Waterford also. Added in the lack of discipline and I do think we are miles off it.

 

[red&blue]

Twomey would be well capable if Cork managers had any value in it. He's 24 and has been brutalising defenders for years on the fitzgibbon.
He finally got a go last week and was dumped after 35 minutes.

Hardly going to build his confidence.

This time next year road runners like Jack O connor Jack leahy and William Buckley will be ahead of him until they run into dan morrissey and the likes

Ah don’t you know by now Seán Twomey is not a Cork hurler, not in the eyes of the tippy tappy brigade anyway. It’s more Sean Twomey’s we need, not less.

That’s my fear if we change manager, and the obvious candidate takes over, we will go back to tippy tappy handball hurling with small fast lovely hurlers. It will set us back 10 years again

 

[Hurlywurly]

I haven’t overlooked at all at all.
Maybe you don’t understand that in limerick (just like it used to be in Cork) the top minor talent was brought straight into the senior panel.
The back bone of those 2 U21 winning teams were already senior hurlers before they dropped down to 21s.
So that talent wasn’t in turn brought through to senior as you suggest

Firstly those Limerick players were older (from double winning U21 team) and already had a natural physical advantage. Even at that it was 3 years between winning the U21 and winning senior.


Secondly there was no "great" team around when they were breaking through, certainly no team at their peak or the equivalent of the team Limerick are now. What Limerick then went on to do was to change the physical standards of the game to the point, ironically, that it is highly unlikely in the near future that any AI senior winning team will comprise mostly of players a year or 2 out of U20

Thirdly there were numerous junctures in the year that Lim first won the AI where they had to show tremendous composure and belief to claw their way back into games where they were looking defeat in the face. Unfortunately 2 of those were versus us.
You can't buy that kind of experience or how it solidifies a team.
They also had a bit of luck on the way. A bit of luck could have seen us over the line yesterday, we put ourselves in a position where luck with one of those close misses could have resulted in an epic win. That could have changed everything.

What is critical for this team now is bringing the same level of effort and improving again on performance in the game versus Limerick.
Nothing else matters now. This team needs a big win in adversity, even if ultimately it brings nothing this season it's in the memory bank for next. A certain standard of performance should be a given in any circumstances.
Building on U20 success is not an Instafix, it's taking time, now's the time for cool heads and leaders who are going to pick players up to go again.

Heard Kiely speaking yesterday about Phase 1 of Munster being done and a having a break before Phase 2.
I thought that was a good way to view it.
Phase 1 for us is done, re-set for Phase 2.
2 wins and see where we land, unfortunately it is out of our hands to some extent.
It was also out of Limerick's hands going into the last 2 games last year.

 

[StoneHouse]

Sean Twomey would have saved us, why didn’t they think of that

 

[Hurlywurly]

Ah don’t you know by now Seán Twomey is not a Cork hurler, not in the eyes of the tippy tappy brigade anyway. It’s more Sean Twomey’s we need, not less.

That’s my fear if we change manager, and the obvious candidate takes over, we will go back to tippy tappy handball hurling with small fast lovely hurlers. It will set us back 10 years again

Ffs
We have min 2 games left this season, a lot to learn, and a lot to prove. Yet you're focusing on next year, a new manager and some clichéd divisive sh*t about some ficticious "tippy tappy brigade" and Sean Twomey.

 

[Jukka]

You are 99.9% correct but there is one highly unlikely scenario where if Waterford beat Tipp that we get through.
Both ourselves & Waterford beat both Limerick & Tipp. Ourselves & Limerick are then on 4 points & we go through on head to head. Like I said, highly unlikely.

There'll be an unlikely quirk or 2 in the results yet I reckon.

 

[red&blue]

Wrong.
If Waterford beat Tipp and Clare, they're on 6 points.
If Tipp then beat Clare, Clare stay on 2 points.
We would obviously have to beat both Tipp and Lim in this unlikely scenario.

No matter the result in Walsh Park next weekend we are hamging by a thread unless we beat Limerick

If we lose to Limerick we will be gone if Waterford beat Tipperary unless Tipperary then go on to beat Clare but lose to Waterford

The bottom line is if we lose to Limerick we will need 2 other counties to finish on 2 points and for us to have the better scoring average of the 3

Let’s just concentrate on beating Limerick ffs

 

[Hurlywurly]

No matter the result in Walsh Park next weekend we are hamging by a thread unless we beat Limerick

If we lose to Limerick we will be gone if Waterford beat Tipperary unless Tipperary then go on to beat Clare but lose to Waterford

The bottom line is if we lose to Limerick we will need 2 other counties to finish on 2 points and for us to have the better scoring average of the 3

Let’s just concentrate on beating Limerick ffs

Ffs Let's read the post where I said

Phase 1 for us is done, re-set for Phase 2.
2 wins and see where we land, unfortunately it is out of our hands to some extent.
It was also out of Limerick's hands going into the last 2 games last year.

 

[Crankycorner]

Twomey would be well capable if Cork managers had any value in it. He's 24 and has been brutalising defenders for years on the fitzgibbon.
He finally got a go last week and was dumped after 35 minutes.

Hardly going to build his confidence.

This time next year road runners like Jack O connor Jack leahy and William Buckley will be ahead of him until they run into dan morrissey and the likes

He was very poor last week. I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen anything from him playing for Cork to suggest that he should be persisted with.