Woman murdered in Tullamore..

[jimmym]

There has not been the same national outpouring of anger, grief, for this lady as there was for Aisling Murphy, There certainly was some form of a bandwagon in the aftermath of the Aisling Murphy murder,

 

[DeepThroat]

Nope. If you read the article you will see that those people were failed for failure to abide by a court order.

Dan knows this, as does MOE, as it has been explained to them about a thousand times.

Isn't the sentence given as

"€X fine or Y days in lieu'

If you don't pay the fine you get the days instead.

I don't think there is a separate contempt style hearing for not obeying the court order.

So you are going to jail but you can pay a fine not to.

 

[Matlock]

Isn't the sentence given as

"€X fine or Y days in lieu'

If you don't pay the fine you get the days instead.

I don't think there is a separate contempt style hearing for not obeying the court order.

So you are going to jail but you can pay a fine not to.

Not paying the fine is not obeying the court order.

So, nobody gets brought to court for not having a tv licence and gets jail. They get a fine, which if they chose not to pay, will result in jail time. And it is a choice. If they are unable to pay they won't be jailed.

 

[TheRebelRoar]

Fake News?

???

Prison For TV Licence Non Payment

A refusal to pay the television licence results in a two month prison sentence.

www.rte.ie

 

[DeepThroat]

Not paying the fine is not obeying the court order.

So, nobody gets brought to court for not having a tv licence and gets jail. They get a fine, which if they chose not to pay, will result in jail time. And it is a choice. If they are unable to pay they won't be jailed.

Don't they. I know a few people who were briefly held in Cork Prison for not paying fines because they didn't have the money during the last recession.

The Gardai contact you and give you a time frame to make payment. They then give you a date to present yourself to the prison if you haven't paid.

 

[Matlock]

Don't they. I know a few people who were briefly held in Cork Prison for not paying fines because they didn't have the money during the last recession.

The Gardai contact you and give you a time frame to make payment. They then give you a date to present yourself to the prison if you haven't paid.

That isn't a jail sentence. They are held pending production of financial evidence.

 

[Matlock]

There has not been the same national outpouring of anger, grief, for this lady as there was for Aisling Murphy, There certainly was some form of a bandwagon in the aftermath of the Aisling Murphy murder,

Stranger murders are always treated differently to domestic ones in terms if public response.

 

[Matlock]

???

Prison For TV Licence Non Payment

A refusal to pay the television licence results in a two month prison sentence.

www.rte.ie

View attachment 39057

Only Dan could be so filled with hubris as to think that his goggling skills should outweigh my law degree.

 

[DeepThroat]

That isn't a jail sentence. They are held pending production of financial evidence.

No they weren't. They were held to serve the alloted sentence. Money was not mentioned, but the prison was full and they got left go due to overcrowding issues. They did not undergo a means test to decide wherher they could pay.

This is not Enoch Burke style refusing to comply with a court order about future behaviour.

'In Lieu' if my memory of French is correct means 'In Place Of' and when sentence is passed both possible outcomes are recorded.

 

[Matlock]

No they weren't. They were held to serve the alloted sentence. Money was not mentioned, but the prison was full and they got left go due to overcrowding issues. They did not undergo a means test to decide wherher they could pay

qhen was that?

.

This is not Enoch Burke style refusing to comply with a court order about future behaviour.

It is though. The future behaviour is the payment of the fine.

'In Lieu' if my memory of French is correct means 'In Place Of' and when sentence is passed both possible outcomes are recorded.

Sometimes, sometimes not.