Will Holly Cairns improve the chances of the fledging Social Democrats

[Ogre Moran]

Can you run me through your thought process on this CR? Yer woman Orli Degani objected to the appearance of Palestinian flags at SD events.

SDs moved a motion that "The Government should also pursue all possible avenues at the EU and the UN to build an international alliance for peace to provide a pathway away from violence and back to the negotiation table. The Palestinian and Israeli people need a political, not military solution to this crisis.”

Party leader Holly Cairns said:

“The permissive and ambivalent reaction by the international community to the litany of war crimes and flagrant breaches of international law by Israel has been shameful.

“Israel’s cruel and disproportionate response to the barbaric October 7 attacks by Hamas has, to date, seen more than 11,000 people killed in Gaza – over 5,000 of them children – and resulted in the collective punishment and mass displacement of millions of innocent civilians.

“Our motion calls on the Irish Government to lobby for the suspension of the EU-Israel Association Agreement on the grounds that the human rights clause in the trade deal has been seriously breached. The EU should also suspend Israel’s access to the €95 billion Horizon Europe fund for research and innovation.

“Given Israel’s failure to cease the deliberate targeting of civilians, journalists, UN staff and healthcare workers, the Government must withdraw the diplomatic status of the Israeli Ambassador to Ireland."


In view of all of this it could hardly have come as a complete shock to Ms Degani that the SDs were against the Israeli excesses in Palestine.

And spare us the "Not too keen on Jewish folk" shtick - there are many many Jews who are utterly against the Israeli's carry on in Palestine. It is NOT anti-Semitic and to pretend that it is, does a disservice to those trying to eradicate the evil of actual anti-Semitism.

And there are many in the "pro-Palestine" camp here and abroad who couldn't give a toss about what happened on 7 October.

 

[Crusty Ring]

I don't disagree that she was moved aside because she no longer fits the profile they wish to project weeks before the election.

What I don't get though is the whole jump to allegations of anti-Semitism and the large dollop of Godwin's Law thrown in on top of it.

Soundy it’s well documented Hamas supporters like yourself and Holly are raging anti Semites m8.

 

[leesider]

That is shocking!

Führer Cairns ain't to keen on Jewish folk it would seem.

So was she kicked out because she is Jewish or because she supports the war in Gaza? Don’t be conflating the two and be going all anti-Semite on us!!

 

[rebel bike]

Ouch

https://twitter.com/x/status/1785689855940259892

Seems an impressive candidate especially by SD standards. More impressive than the farmer's daughter market stall seed seller image Cairns projects.

 

[SoundMan]

You left out Sinn Fein suspending Peadar Tobin twice because he thought abortion was murder and wouldn't bow to your organisation flip flopping on the issue.

If you check back at the time I had sympathy for Tobin's stance. A number of (some former) SF voters that I know did too. But even a rabid anti-SFer like you can hardly try to accuse MLMD of acting like a Fuhrer when it was a vote from the floor of an Ard Fheis by a majority of more than 4:1 who voted for the policy. If 80+% of your party is insisting them's the rules then them's the rules - it's how democracy works.

Personally I thought MM was right to allow FF TDs vote according to their personal conscience but history showed that his TDs posing en masse for photos claiming "family values" (as though daughters weren't real members of a family and/or weren't wise enough to really know what to do with their own bodies) was not a good look imho

 

[SoundMan]

And there are many in the "pro-Palestine" camp here and abroad who couldn't give a toss about what happened on 7 October.

Can you (or jimmy) name some of the "many in the "pro-Palestine" camp here and abroad who couldn't give a toss about what happened on 7 October" with evidence to support that? I must confess I've not seen anyone here post anything so crass.

 

[SoundMan]

Soundy it’s well documented Hamas supporters like yourself and Holly are raging anti Semites m8.

Show evidence of that anti Semitic allegation or kindly withdraw it.

Anti-semitism, like racism, is an evil and has no place in the world.

Do you think the guys in this photo are anti-Semitic because of their aversion to Zionism?

 

[Crusty Ring]

Show evidence of that anti Semitic allegation or kindly withdraw it.

Anti-semitism, like racism, is an evil and has no place in the world.

Do you think the guys in this photo are anti-Semitic because of their aversion to Zionism?

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Your right Soundy that was a dirty dig, I don't believe you or Holly are Anti-Semitic.

I do believe Orli Degani has been treated unfairly though for political gain by SD's

 

[jimmym]

Your right Soundy that was a dirty dig, I don't believe you or Holly are any Anti-Semitic.

I do believe Orli Degani has been treated unfairly though for political gain by SD's

Of course she has been punished for her stance, Going against the grain re Palestine is not a popular thing to do,

 

[Purple Monkey Dishwasher]

Your right Soundy that was a dirty dig, I don't believe you or Holly are any Anti-Semitic.

I do believe Orli Degani has been treated unfairly though for political gain by SD's

Obergruppenführer Cairns has made sure her party remains Judenfrei.


Not a good look, whatever way she tries to dress it up.