Trump is back baby!

[Pakied]

So wer UK first to go Kissing his Ass.

 

[Bennyton]

So wer UK first to go Kissing his Ass.

Seems like it, watching question time tonight, it looks like they're starting to realise that the empire is over.

 

[How bad boy]

So wer UK first to go Kissing his Ass.

They were in the the supposed negotiating second tier 2 weeks ago.
It will save British jobs, especially in car manufacturing and steel.

The latter is particularly important to the British government as they took over operational control of the Scunthorpe steel works a few weeks back.

Main concession from the initial sketchy details is about beef exports from the US. Thing is, terms appear from initial details to be exactly in line with what the EU allows, the beef needs to be certified to a particular standard covering tracebility, no hormone use, etc...

US producers are generally not that interested and the quota is set at 13,000 metric tons.
Britain produces 900,000 metric tons of beef a year and imports huge quantities from the EU already anyway.

Of course, you're doing a deal with a fascist. Which generally isn't good.

 

[greengrass]

Seems like it, watching question time tonight, it looks like they're starting to realise that the empire is over.

They're slow learners

 

[How bad boy]

They were in the the supposed negotiating second tier 2 weeks ago.
It will save British jobs, especially in car manufacturing and steel.

The latter is particularly important to the British government as they took over operational control of the Scunthorpe steel works a few weeks back.

Main concession from the initial sketchy details is about beef exports from the US. Thing is, terms appear from initial details to be exactly in line with what the EU allows, the beef needs to be certified to a particular standard covering tracebility, no hormone use, etc...

US producers are generally not that interested and the quota is set at 13,000 metric tons.
Britain produces 900,000 metric tons of beef a year and imports huge quantities from the EU already anyway.

Of course, you're doing a deal with a fascist. Which generally isn't good.

Here's the actual deal:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/681d327d43d6699b3c1d2a9d/US_UK_EPD_050825_FINAL_rev_v2.pdf

It's merely a statement of intent. It's not a deal at all.

On the beef thing, which is almost certainly a big deal in the public's eye and you're seeing lots about it in the UK press:
"U.S. beef exports to the United Kingdom are currently subject to a 20 percent tariff within a quota of 1,000 metric tons (mt). The United Kingdom will remove the 20 percent tariff. Additionally, the United Kingdom will create a preferential duty-free quota of 13,000 mt for U.S. beef. In return, the United States will reallocate to the United Kingdom 13,000 mt of its existing “Other Countries” tariff rate quota (TRQ) for beef."
From the wording, it's just expanding the current import scheme, allowing more in and taking quotas from other exporters to the US.
That would impact on Irish agriculture were it not for the fact that beef exports to the US have collapsed since 2020.

Success and failure in USA for Irish beef and dairy

Irish beef and dairy have the opposite export experience to the US.

www.farmersjournal.ie

Also, this is interesting, and a bit disappointing to see in there:
"In order to ensure more competitive, reciprocal, and secure access to our procurementmarkets, both countries reaffirm their procurement commitments under the Agreement onGovernment Procurement (GPA) and their respective free trade agreements, and intend to discussthe implementation of our respective procurement commitments, including through the UnitedKingdom’s new National Security Unit for Procurement and the United Kingdom’s new powersunder the Procurement Act 2023, which provides that non-“treaty states” are not guaranteed nondiscriminatory treatment in procurement."


This impedes efforts to build up military capabilities separate to the US. If you can't exclude US suppliers, then you're not really in a position to be fully sovereign, are you?

 

[Dinger]

Here's the actual deal:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/681d327d43d6699b3c1d2a9d/US_UK_EPD_050825_FINAL_rev_v2.pdf

It's merely a statement of intent. It's not a deal at all.

On the beef thing, which is almost certainly a big deal in the public's eye and you're seeing lots about it in the UK press:
"U.S. beef exports to the United Kingdom are currently subject to a 20 percent tariff within a quota of 1,000 metric tons (mt). The United Kingdom will remove the 20 percent tariff. Additionally, the United Kingdom will create a preferential duty-free quota of 13,000 mt for U.S. beef. In return, the United States will reallocate to the United Kingdom 13,000 mt of its existing “Other Countries” tariff rate quota (TRQ) for beef."
From the wording, it's just expanding the current import scheme, allowing more in and taking quotas from other exporters to the US.
That would impact on Irish agriculture were it not for the fact that beef exports to the US have collapsed since 2020.

Success and failure in USA for Irish beef and dairy

Irish beef and dairy have the opposite export experience to the US.

www.farmersjournal.ie

Also, this is interesting, and a bit disappointing to see in there:
"In order to ensure more competitive, reciprocal, and secure access to our procurementmarkets, both countries reaffirm their procurement commitments under the Agreement onGovernment Procurement (GPA) and their respective free trade agreements, and intend to discussthe implementation of our respective procurement commitments, including through the UnitedKingdom’s new National Security Unit for Procurement and the United Kingdom’s new powersunder the Procurement Act 2023, which provides that non-“treaty states” are not guaranteed nondiscriminatory treatment in procurement."


This impedes efforts to build up military capabilities separate to the US. If you can't exclude US suppliers, then you're not really in a position to be fully sovereign, are you?

There was also mention of the US having an influence over (veto?) any deals the UK may do with China.
Sovrinnty innit bruv

 

[an liathroid beag]

"The United Kingdom and the United States affirm that imported food and agricultural goods must comply with the importing country’s sanitary andphytosanitary (SPS) standards and other mutually agreed standards"
That effectively ensures that the Brits have barred chlorinated chicken and hormone treated meat and as they maintain EU (Equivalent) food standards, the EU will demand the same and it will be of little benefit to US farmers. US Dairy products will have similiar access problems to the EU because of the use of BST in Dairy cows

 

[Handy Run]

I'm delighted for them and hope they get everything they voted for (only 1/3 eligible voters voted against Trump).

I'm genuinely delighted for the guy. He got exactly what he voted for.

 

[Bwana_Dik]

I'm genuinely delighted for the guy. He got exactly what he voted for.

I'm sure he's happy giving up his economy as long as the libs are owned.
FAFO.

 

[How bad boy]

There was also mention of the US having an influence over (veto?) any deals the UK may do with China.
Sovrinnty innit bruv

That's a bit of a distortion from the UK press of what exactly it says.

This is probably what they're referring to:
In addition to products already addressed in this document, the United States and the United Kingdom intend to adopt a structured, negotiated approach to other 3 sectors that may be subject to Section 232 investigations or other tariff measures with a view to a significantly preferential outcome. Any such approach is contingent on the United Kingdom ensuring the security of supply chains, using appropriate measures, of products intended for export to the United States and on the findings of related U.S. investigations of, or other tariff measures related to, such sectors


Basically terms of deals with the likes of china shouldn't offer a back door route to the US market.
This is generally standard in trade t&cs anyway. China is definitely routing some of its goods via countries with lower tariffs such as Cambodia and Vietnam. Build it in China, ship it to a fake factory in Cambodia and send it to the US claiming it was built there. What the US is looking to avoid is the double hop of something being shipped to China, labelled as Cambodian, shipped to the UK, then exported to the US from the UK as a Cambodian sourced good.

That pattern is definitely happening right now and this is a commitment that the UK will work to mitigate it. If you have millions or billions in exports to protect, then it's worth sending it in multi-hop trips round the world to avoid the punitive US tariffs