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Would have been a yellow I'd say. They always officiate based on outcomes which is annoying but Genge came flying in like a rocket.

The issues with the gumshields is that I think so far, they've not been accurate. Almost all players pinged passed the HIA immediately
Thats not a question of accuracy. its a question of process

The gumshields are supposed to Identify the hidden concussions which aren't so obvious. Limits for torque and acceleration were set based on a statistical analysis,i think they got the data from the south African domestic league.

If a player passes HIA after that's okay, He had a whack and a doc checked him. now that the gumshield is universal for international rugby they'll have more data in a season or 2 and reset the limits or potentially change the HIA to be more stringent.
 
The problem is, the evidence isn't actually clear for years, if not decades.


The brain damage from sub-concussive impacts may not manifest until older age. The data on incidence isn't great and the causal mechanism isn't 100% clear.

So they have absolutely no idea what a properly safe level is yet.

The worst era would probably have been about 10 years ago, when controls were first introduced.

The players who played from 1995 when professionalism was introduced to 2015 when head injury assessments started to be introduced and concussion started to be taken much more seriously, are now between 30-65. They're still too young for old age impacts to be seen.
 
15. Hugo Keenan (UCD/Leinster)(39)
14. Calvin Nash (Young Munster/Munster)(5)
13. Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster)(71)
12. Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht)(55)
11. James Lowe (Leinster)(30)
10. Jack Crowley (Cork Constitution/Munster)(13)
9. Jamison Gibson-Park (Leinster)(34)

1. Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster)(63)
2. Dan Sheehan (Lansdowne/Leinster)(25)
3. Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster)(75)
4. Joe McCarthy (Dublin University/Leinster)(9)
5. Tadhg Beirne (Lansdowne/Munster)(49)
6. Peter O’Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster)(captain)(104)
7. Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster)(61)
8. Caelan Doris (St Mary’s College/Leinster)(40)

Replacements:

16. Rónan Kelleher (Lansdowne/Leinster)(30)
17. Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)(128)
18. Finlay Bealham (Buccaneers/Connacht)(39)
19. Ryan Baird (Dublin University/Leinster)(19)
20. Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster)(45)
21. Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)(115)
22. Harry Byrne (UCD/Leinster)(3)
23. Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster)(57).
 
The problem is, the evidence isn't actually clear for years, if not decades.


The brain damage from sub-concussive impacts may not manifest until older age. The data on incidence isn't great and the causal mechanism isn't 100% clear.

So they have absolutely no idea what a properly safe level is yet.

The worst era would probably have been about 10 years ago, when controls were first introduced.

The players who played from 1995 when professionalism was introduced to 2015 when head injury assessments started to be introduced and concussion started to be taken much more seriously, are now between 30-65. They're still too young for old age impacts to be seen.

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The first confirmed diagnosis of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) in a fully professional rugby union player has been made in New Zealand. Billy Guyton, who represented the New Zealand Māori, played scrum-half in Super Rugby for the Blues and had stints with the Hurricanes and Crusaders, died in May at the age of 33.

Guyton’s brain was donated to the brain bank at the University of Auckland. On Monday, his family received a summary of the results, the first item of which details “changes consistent with chronic traumatic encephalopathy”.

Guyton suffered from multiple concussions and took the decision to retire because of the symptoms he was experiencing in 2018 at the age of 28.

The summary of the report, seen by the Guardian, also describes the condition of cavum septum pellucidum, a fissure in the middle of the brain associated with traumatic brain injury, and age-related tau deposits, which are not diagnostic of CTE, although often associated, but irregular in a young brain."


So was it the CTE that killed him or he died with CTE? Probably the latter, but the levels of evidence are concerningly low...
 
Conor Murrays last game in a green jersey. Would be a shame if he shit the bed on his last run out
Remember ROG's Ireland career ended in ignominy as well.with that horrible cross field kick that was intercepted.
Unfortunately don't always get the fairytale ending although Murray should be on field at the end when they clinch the championship.
 
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