Stephen Kenny Reign

[TheEarlofPearl]

Roy's on a handy gig with Sky on good money. The FAI neither want him nor can afford to match what hes making for the Top Gear routine with Gaz Hammond and Micah May.

I but I do enjoy it as well

 

[Puzzles]

It's OK to admit that Kenny is not doing a good job without having a tailor made replacement available.

The reality is the results are poor but we have not shown any progression despite the amount of games he's presided over. Someone mentioned he's only had one full campaign but he has managed 30 games. That's an awful lot of matches to refine a team identity. The fact that he cant translate his message to players after that many games into creating a few chances against the Maltas of the world is troubling and doesn't bode well.

We are probably at a 40 year low in terms of calibre of player we have but that doesn't excuse the Lux, Azerbijian, Armenia results etc. What's clear is that these results and performances are not one-offs now. We cannot beat teams that we should be beating (far lower ranked than us).

The quality of player is still there to best those teams. You can argue it delusional to expect results against France, Holland etc but we are better than the teams in pots 5 and 6 seeded and should expect a competent enough set up to beat them.

You can call the Malta game meaningless etc but there's a lot to read from it to tell you where we are at. If reports are correct he didn't tinker with the team as he couldn't afford to lose the 2 matches and a clean sheet against Malta was very important to him. We are now afraid of Malta.

 

[Monty Burns]

This is the side that finished Micks Euro campaign.




Heres Kennys team that finished the world cup qualifiers





McCarthy was playing a 35 year old who was out of contract. Kenny has undoubtedly brought guys through.

We drew at home to Portugal and Serbia in the qualifying campaign and but for a bit of bad luck would have gotten results in Lisbon and Belgrade.

We finished third in a group with Serbia and Portugal, sides chockful of players playing at a far higher level than most of the Irish squad.


Realistically we are fighting it out for third spot in our Euro group , with Greece. Lets hope we pull off some upsets but those saying we have 'a quality of player' are only spoofing. None of our panel gets near the French or Dutch.

 

[Puzzles]

This is the side that finished Micks Euro campaign.

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Heres Kennys team that finished the world cup qualifiers


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McCarthy was playing a 35 year old who was out of contract. Kenny has undoubtedly brought guys through.

We drew at home to Portugal and Serbia in the qualifying campaign and but for a bit of bad luck would have gotten results in Lisbon and Belgrade.

We finished third in a group with Serbia and Portugal, sides chockful of players playing at a far higher level than most of the Irish squad.


Realistically we are fighting it out for third spot in our Euro group , with Greece. Lets hope we pull off some upsets but those saying we have 'a quality of player' are only spoofing. None of our panel gets near the French or Dutch.

Your point ignores every game bar the Serbia and Portugal games.

Nobody is saying we have a quality of player to compete with France and Holland. But we do have a quality of player to be beating teams with 3 digits in their world rankings no matter who you pick from your 2 teams above.

I doubt there is anyone out there looking for the sack for Kenny thinking someone else would be expected to pip on of those teams to 1st or 2nd.
However, on form and evidence presented, you could not say with certainty we'll get 6 points from Gibraltar.

This is the issue. We barely avoided another relegation in the nations league. Dropping seed gradings before the World Cup qualifiers will be disastrous if we end up in pot 4.

Just because he brought through a number of players due to team life cycle doesn't make him immune to criticism.

BTW, out of that first team you posted there, the only 3 out of the picture are Randolph Whelan and Goldrick given that they are either retired and we've Premier League standard keepers. The rest all have had recent game time

 

[orourkeda]

Pure bollocks.

 

[Monty Burns]

Your point ignores every game bar the Serbia and Portugal games.

Nobody is saying we have a quality of player to compete with France and Holland. But we do have a quality of player to be beating teams with 3 digits in their world rankings no matter who you pick from your 2 teams above.

I doubt there is anyone out there looking for the sack for Kenny thinking someone else would be expected to pip on of those teams to 1st or 2nd.
However, on form and evidence presented, you could not say with certainty we'll get 6 points from Gibraltar.

This is the issue. We barely avoided another relegation in the nations league. Dropping seed gradings before the World Cup qualifiers will be disastrous if we end up in pot 4.

Just because he brought through a number of players due to team life cycle doesn't make him immune to criticism.

BTW, out of that first team you posted there, the only 3 out of the picture are Randolph Whelan and Goldrick given that they are either retired and we've Premier League standard keepers. The rest all have had recent game time

Genuinely are you having the lols or what m8.

They lost at home to Luxembourg and drew with Azerbaijan at home , poor results but comfortably beat both sides away, finishing third in the group. That's the level Ireland are at.


We will be competing with Greece for Third bar some major upsets.


Kennys 5-3-2 or 3-5-2 has worked well against the stronger sides, we've struggled to break down packed defences.


Our chance creation isnt great but we have a settled and content squad. Id hope we can have a decent crack off qualification.

As for nations league, we finished third to Scotland and Ukraine, beating Scotland and drawing away to Ukraine in the process. We avoided relegation.


They're not going to sack him ahead of Euro qualifying and Ive never said he isn't immune to criticism but we need to be a lot more realistic in where we're at. The Delaney years are going to take a long time to recover from.

 

[SoundMan]

Ffs, Keane would be a complete car crash.

He met the players as assistant manager every 2 or 3 months and he STILL managed to fall out with them.

The camp are happy with Kenny, he has brought a number of players through. People talking shite about us not doing well enough in the WC qualifying campaign are totally delusional.

Our squad is crap. Doherty is the only player in the Irish squad playing champions league football this season and with that hes not a regular starter for his club.


We have a few players with top division clubs in England and the rest are scraped from the second tier of English football.

Wrt qualification we've got an awful draw. In terms of putting bums on seats its a good draw and France and Holland should be sell outs. (Greece too if we're still in contention).


Kenny has been a mixed bag results wise and he will only keep his job if we make the Euros which is a big ask in this group.

It doesn't help matters when the manager himself spoke of topping the group and we ending up second last. Delusional indeed.
Wrt qualification draw, you can't bemoan the difficulty of the draw when you've been playing so badly you're dropping down the seeds. Chicken and egg and the problems with Kenny are coming home to roost.

Kenny's results have been woeful. We went was it a year without scoring a goal, but the dublin media wittered on about "playing a good brand of football".

FFS look at football in any country or league in the world. It's graded on results. Tangible performance. Yes there can be some leeway when a style that will produce better results long term is being developed but Kenny has been in place coming up on three years and other than giving some players their international debut he's achieved the square root of f**k all in terms of competitive results and we're still not scoring a lot of goals.

Keane would be box-office but I agree with you, a potential car crash as he'd inevitably fall out with the players who wouldn't be able to marry the skills and the sacrifices he did to get where he did.

 

[SoundMan]

Ireland have always struggled against sides like Georgia, Belarus, Estonia.

We sometimes pull out decent performances against better opposition.

We're not sacking the manager 3 months before the qualifying campaign kicks off. If its a disaster he will be sacked.

A decent performance against better opposition, that by your own admission we only sometimes manage, is useless unless we get a result. Glorious failures was the very thing that frustrated so many.

I'd love us to qualify but alas I very much doubt we will, or even come close, and it seems from what you're saying that the best thing Kenny has accomplished is to be the one in place just 3 months before the qualifying campaign kicks off. And that says much about where we are thanks in no small way to the FAI and Kenny the media darling. But shur, we play a lovely brand of football

 

[Monty Burns]

It doesn't help matters when the manager himself spoke of topping the group and we ending up second last. Delusional indeed.
Wrt qualification draw, you can't bemoan the difficulty of the draw when you've been playing so badly you're dropping down the seeds. Chicken and egg and the problems with Kenny are coming home to roost.

Kenny's results have been woeful. We went was it a year without scoring a goal, but the dublin media wittered on about "playing a good brand of football".

FFS look at football in any country or league in the world. It's graded on results. Tangible performance. Yes there can be some leeway when a style that will produce better results long term is being developed but Kenny has been in place coming up on three years and other than giving some players their international debut he's achieved the square root of f**k all in terms of competitive results and we're still not scoring a lot of goals.

Keane would be box-office but I agree with you, a potential car crash as he'd inevitably fall out with the players who wouldn't be able to marry the skills and the sacrifices he did to get where he did.

You're talking nonsense.

He got draws with Serbia and Portugal. But for really bad luck they could have won away to both.

O'Neill and McCarthy didn't do much better.

 

[Monty Burns]

A decent performance against better opposition, that by your own admission we only sometimes manage, is useless unless we get a result. Glorious failures was the very thing that frustrated so many.

I'd love us to qualify but alas I very much doubt we will, or even come close, and it seems from what you're saying that the best thing Kenny has accomplished is to be the one in place just 3 months before the qualifying campaign kicks off. And that says much about where we are thanks in no small way to the FAI and Kenny the media darling. But shur, we play a lovely brand of football

Do you think our players are of a similar quality to the French and the Dutch?

A yes or no will do.