De Irish Times 'all men are bastards' thread

[Happyhonkaman]

His area of interest is rock music, so his focus on the biggest and most influential practitioners of that musical genre should come as no surprise, he didn't deny the debt that rock owes to blues music afaik.

The fact is that the giants of rock music are mostly white men, the likes of Dylan, Lennon, McCartney, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, Paul Simon, Leonard Cohen, Chris De Burgh, David Bowie, Lou Reed, Iggy Pop, Brian Wilson, Jim Morrison, Van Morrison, Morrissey etc.

Facts are stubborn things.

How the jaysus did Chris De Burgh find his way into that list?!

 

[Roxetten]

How the jaysus did Chris De Burgh find his way into that list?!

Banter, I couldn't resist it.

 

[Happyhonkaman]

Banter, I couldn't resist it.

Nice work

Laydeee in redddddddd,
Is banting with meee…

 

[fed up]

Nice work

Laydeee in redddddddd,
Is banting with meee…

La la la la la la la la la la la
La la la la la la la
La la la la la la la la la la la la
This song will begin once again, to a baby's cry.


Genius

 

[Roxetten]

This was his quote
"Wenner replied that “insofar as the women, just none of them were as articulate enough on this intellectual level”, while black musicians “just didn’t articulate at that level” of master."

The fact that most of the giants of rock music are mostly white men is not being debated. His comment is what is being debated.

Do you think that is a reasonable thing to say?

I don't know about you but I was debating the shrill and hysterical article in the Irish Times, there are no female Bob Dylans out there who we are denied hearing because of bad white men holding women back, also, the writer drones on about women playing bass guitar because it was an easy instrument to play, that fact exists only 'in her head'.

She got an article published based on the outrage caused by Wenner's comments, so he did her a favour with his off colour remarks.

 

[TheEarlofPearl]

So that makes it ok for him to make a racist and sexist comment without rebuke?

Not okay, I just make allowances for auld farts from a different era (Soundy as an example ?). I certainly wouldn't been wasting column inches on him but then again, I'm not perma outraged by silly things.

 

[CaptainSensible]

This was his quote
"Wenner replied that “insofar as the women, just none of them were as articulate enough on this intellectual level”, while black musicians “just didn’t articulate at that level” of master."

The fact that most of the giants of rock music are mostly white men is not being debated. His comment is what is being debated.

Do you think that is a reasonable thing to say?

Was it not a specific question about women and black musicians in relation to the people he picked?

If I'm asked to compare A to B, saying I prefer A and giving a reason does not necessarily mean I'm denigrating B.

 

[Happyhonkaman]

Was it not a specific question about women and black musicians in relation to the people he picked?

If I'm asked to compare A to B, saying I prefer A and giving a reason does not necessarily mean I'm denigrating B.

You focking Bascist

 

[Matlock]

Was it not a specific question about women and black musicians in relation to the people he picked?

If I'm asked to compare A to B, saying I prefer A and giving a reason does not necessarily mean I'm denigrating B.

No one takes issue with him saying that he prefers white male musicians to any other type of musician.

Saying that none of them were as articulate enough on this intellectual level is denigrating though.

He has acknowledged this himself.

 

[Matlock]

I don't know about you but I was debating the shrill and hysterical article in the Irish Times, there are no female Bob Dylans out there who we are denied hearing because of bad white men holding women back, also, the writer drones on about women playing bass guitar because it was an easy instrument to play, that fact exists only 'in her head'.

She got an article published based on the outrage caused by Wenner's comments, so he did her a favour with his off colour remarks.

Ah, so you were debating an article that only exists in your head.