Cork Hurlers - Part 2

[The Highway Man]

FFS fellas here saying Twomey isn't a nailed on starter. Our half forward line has been cleaned out for 10 year. Yerra but Kingston has pace and Lehane has the wrists. FFS WOULD YE STOP.

 

[red&blue]

If we're going anywhere this year, it'll be with only 1 out of Hoggie, Lehane, Seamie starting. Huge question marks again over Lehane, once summer hurling rolls around. Would love for him/them to prove most of us wrong though.

I agree but that doesn’t mean the selectors will, form will decide places

PR will need to show a more ruthless side to him, with his starting 15 and with his movements on the line/from the bench. Fingers and toes crossed he's more than up to the challenge.

Spot on

 

[Banofie Magpie]

FFS fellas here saying Twomey isn't a nailed on starter. Our half forward line has been cleaned out for 10 year. Yerra but Kingston has pace and Lehane has the wrists. FFS WOULD YE STOP.

Agree. Has to start based on his performance to date. Only he could play himself off it imo, if that makes sense

 

[Corkfan82]

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Not much discussion of the Waterford team here. I haven't been following Davy's crew that closely so I'm not up to speed re injuries, but that looks like a pretty experimental side. Decent half-forward line, and be interesting to see how Sean Walsh gets on, he's been pretty consistent for MTU in the Fitzgibbon.

Re the kerfuffle over Hoggy, Lehane and Harnedy, there's two different issues here imo. One is which of them (or possibly all three) should be starting come championship. Fwiw, I would be disappointed if all three were picked to start, as it would suggest either that the younger forwards haven't made enough of an impact or the management lack faith in them. I think all three will have important roles to play, but if they all start (especially Hoggy and Lehane together) that will in all likelihood make Cork that bit easier to play against, since neither are consistently good at closing down the opposition defenders or battling for the ball.

The other issue is playing them in this league fixture. On balance I don't think it's a great call. We have a good idea of what each player brings, and even if Harnedy needs some league time, Hoggy and Lehane each played the last two matches. Even setting aside S. Twomey and O'Mahony, who would have been my preferred picks in the absence of Dalton, I would have preferred one of B. Roche at half-forward or Cotter inside.

FFS fellas here saying Twomey isn't a nailed on starter. Our half forward line has been cleaned out for 10 year. Yerra but Kingston has pace and Lehane has the wrists. FFS WOULD YE STOP.

Agreed, Harnedy has carried us for years. Last year Dalton helped. Twomey has alot to offer and is a serious option on current form, who other counties would select in a heartbeat.

But we are Cork, small pacey forwards only has predominately been the approach....
I think PR is changing this approach but I'd be happier if he started playing TOM in the forwards.

 

[Hurlywurly]

It’s a totally valid point and loads of people agree, while this is the league and the management continue in year 2 to decide on what their best team for championship is, I would think there is a real chance at least harnedy and Horgan will start come championship and possibly lehane despite numerous recent championship performances, that would be unique I would think for a team that has been unsuccessful with a raft of potential younger players to select that we would have a profile like that, quite simply it means we will have less ability to press and tackle and work come championship as older simply don’t have the legs.
All really good players with Horgan and harnedy always producing in championship and lehane is a good league player hopefully come championship we won’t be as heavily reliant on them

"Loads of people agree"
Therein lies the issue.
Not too many alternative thoughts or independent thinking going on...
Peddling notion that having Hoggie, Harnedy and Lehane in the starting 15 tomorrow is somehow a worry or a concern.....
Pure eegitry.

I think R&B said in his post that we're not just looking at 6 forwards for championship, I'd be looking at that as the starting point for the discussion. Not obsessing over who starts in the forward 6.
Munster games are tight, the majority will go down to the wire. Who we're bringing on going down the strait will be key. Highly unlikely that all 3 of the trio that people are whining about will be playing 4 consecutive 70 minute games in Munster, though Hoggie could well do.
Which I do not see as a problem unless it demonstrably becomes one.
Which it certainly was not last year

 

[TheRightHandofRing]

Clare have 4 from 2013

 

[Crankycorner]

Clare have 4 from 2013

But they won.

 

[TheRightHandofRing]

But they won.

What's your point? A few players lost a game 10 years ago so they should be dropped? Makes no sense to me. We're going around in circles with this fixation on Hoggie and Harnedy. Every team has a blend of youth and experience. If they deserve their place, play them. If not, don't.

Take the most recent ch'ship game v Limerick in Munster. Hoggie and Harnedy start no question. May not be the case this year but if they play to that standard again they deserve their spot. Some people will find any excuse to moan.

 

[Crankycorner]

What's your point? A few players lost a game 10 years ago so they should be dropped? Makes no sense to me. We're going around in circles with this fixation on Hoggie and Harnedy. Every team has a blend of youth and experience. If they deserve their place, play them. If not, don't.

Take the most recent ch'ship game v Limerick in Munster. Hoggie and Harnedy start no question. May not be the case this year but if they play to that standard again they deserve their spot. Some people will find any excuse to moan.

True but Clare have a blend of youth and experienced lads with All Ireland medals. We’ve a mixture of youth with underage All Ireland medals and experienced lads who were never able to get over the line. I’m not saying drop them entirely but this is the league and we need to be giving our younger players a chance. The 3 lads from 2013 won’t be there in 2 years. Succession planning is critical.

 

[TheOutdoorThreadmill]

What's your point? A few players lost a game 10 years ago so they should be dropped? Makes no sense to me. We're going around in circles with this fixation on Hoggie and Harnedy. Every team has a blend of youth and experience. If they deserve their place, play them. If not, don't.

Take the most recent ch'ship game v Limerick in Munster. Hoggie and Harnedy start no question. May not be the case this year but if they play to that standard again they deserve their spot. Some people will find any excuse to moan.

Well said