Cork Hurlers - Part 2

[SoundMan]

If anything it's the opposite, he's probably too nice.

I think even his biggest critics would have to concede that KK is a nice guy. Probably too nice for the position of managing the Cork Senior hurling team where you have to have a ruthless streak. Something KK didn't have as a player and I don't think he has it as a manager.

I think the only way he'd stay on is if he genuinely believed it would be the best for Cork hurling, but he's too close to it. He genuinely believed that tippy-tappy was the best for this Cork hurling squad too, long after even the dogs in the street knew it wasn't.

 

[bluesball]

Red i new him well about 30 years ago ,he is a very nice fellow but what other reason would he stay on Let some one else get a chance. 2no intercounty managers who got 2nd chances both retired this week.

 

[Gregory_Mike]

Whatever about KK, serious questions need to be asked of the CCB. After the lofty heights of last year, it seemed like underage management structures went backwards once again this year.

 

[Gregory_Mike]

Red i new him well about 30 years ago ,he is a very nice fellow but what other reason would he stay on Let some one else get a chance. 2no intercounty managers who got 2nd chances both retired this week.

No. Let him stay on and train the new guy in failure.

 

[imigrant]

It is a full time job and we don't pay. Eddie Brennan plenty of wedge from Cuala. Davy Fitz not doing it for nothing. Ben O Connor you would have to assume receiving remuneration. Therefore you are looking at Semi Retired... Meyler, JBM . I know Kingston took it back on because his work situation changed to allow him. We can talk names and suggestions.. Pat Ryan, Wayne Sherlock etc but the bottom line is that we are not in a buyers market because we dont pay... Its not even the money for some I assume its their own family situation. We all know that if you have very small kids its tough and then if you have 9-17 year olds you want to be on their sideline and possibly not another one trying to suss out the next Mark Foley from nowhere. I think the selection of a new manager will actually end up working in both directions.

 

[Cork93]

Whatever about KK, serious questions need to be asked of the CCB. After the lofty heights of last year, it seemed like underage management structures went backwards once again this year.

Or maybe this years crop of players just weren’t as good as last years? Happens in all clubs and underage county teams. We did well to win 2 u20’s on the trot, time to give those lads more exposure at senior level.

Im sure we will have good underage teams coming through again in the next couple years.

 

[red&blue]

I remember when he was new to The City End. I see some are describing him as a "Cork GAA Legend" ?

FFS ???

 

[red&blue]

I think Kieran Kingston wants success for Cork hurling and believes he can deliver that. He certainly has developed a team that people can see has potential to win an All Ireland title.

Is he the right man, or has he the right management team around him is the question.

What he has contributed to Cork Hurling is undeniable imo.

Sure half us on here believe we could deliver an all ireland ? doesn’t mean we are the right person for the role though

 

[PROCNA2018]

Sure half is on here believe we could deliver an all ireland ? doesn’t mean we are the right person for the role though

Yea but we are embodying it into KK.

Taken in the round, it would seem as I posted a couple of months ago, that his niceness was actually an issue. If elements within the backroom team were insisting on what you call tippy tappy and that if it was going wrong it was because the players were not doing it right - then that is not on him other than he should say "my way or the high way". If players are not performing but elements with the backroom team are saying they have to be played or if players should be getting game time but are being prevented from it by certain elements - it is KK's job to say "my way or the high way".

I do not think he has the ruthlessness to do that - that is a testament to his personality - but does it give you the right kind of manager in this day and age? maybe not.

I do not think he will be there next year. However if he is, he must rule the roost. And if the dissenting voices are not prepared to toe the line, then they have to go.

We should have been in an AI semi again this year. Played well enough to be there v Galway.
Probably would have ended in the semi - but at least they would have had a rattle going in as massive underdogs with all the incentive in the world.

I go back to what I said a few pages ago - whoever it is, they must have an open docket - they must have the force of will to insist on their own backroom team, no outside interference and they must keep the out out as Daly said a few weeks ago.

 

[red&blue]

Red i new him well about 30 years ago ,he is a very nice fellow but what other reason would he stay on Let some one else get a chance. 2no intercounty managers who got 2nd chances both retired this week.

Maybe he believes he’s the right man or maybe he can’t see the wood from the trees. Or maybe this is all irrelevant and he hasn’t been offered the post again