Carrigtohill Shopping Village

[Hank Scorpio]

The hysteria from councillors about the Planning Regular kind of sums up why we needed one in the first place.

The regulator had a fairly straightforward role - check proposed plans to make sure they're consistent with national policies, and that they're properly justified by evidence.

In this case, they're not saying no to the potential for the tacky low pay outlet centre, they're simply saying the work hasn't been done by the council to justify it by way of a joint retail strategy. I think most reasonable people could expect that such a strategy would not be able to justify a proposal like this.

Similar to their objections to the Build to Rent restrictions in Dublin. They're saying the council haven't done the evidence base to show what the implications of the move would be on housing delivery.

Even if they did manage to hammer through this zoning, I'd be putting good money on it not getting past ABP.

How this whole thing has come about and is being pushed is incredibly suspicious, and it's hard not to think some people are down for a major payday if it comes off. Some FOI requests could be very revealing.

Cussen the planning 'regulator' is an unelected political appointment by Eoghan Murphy. Another hangover from his truly abysmal spell in housing.

He has massively overstepped his brief and is at odds with several county development plans.

Before I get the expert opinion of those who have never dealt with this beauty let me point out that he his directly responsible for blocking the building of thousands of houses in the middle of a supposed crisis.

Planning watchdog criticises excessive rezoning for housing by Cork County Council

The local authority has been told to rethink its housing targets and zoning policy as it could result in over development in some areas

www.irishexaminer.com

Cork county council taking this jackass to court and getting a decision from the courts tells you all you need to know about this ass*ole. He has no legal authority for the decisions he's making

Planning regulator was ‘rattled’ by local authority’s legal action

Watchdog sought meeting with Minister for Housing over Cork County Council challenge

www.irishtimes.com

What do we want ? Not houses
Where do we want them? Somewhere else.

We are feeling the effects of a regulatory body appointment that came from the brains trust who gave us our massively corrupt planning board.

Its no wonder people cant get houses.

 

[Jukka]

Cussen the planning 'regulator' is an unelected political appointment by Eoghan Murphy. Another hangover from his truly abysmal spell in housing.

He has massively overstepped his brief and is at odds with several county development plans.

Before I get the expert opinion of those who have never dealt with this beauty let me point out that he his directly responsible for blocking the building of thousands of houses in the middle of a supposed crisis.

Planning watchdog criticises excessive rezoning for housing by Cork County Council

The local authority has been told to rethink its housing targets and zoning policy as it could result in over development in some areas

www.irishexaminer.com

Cork county council taking this jackass to court and getting a decision from the courts tells you all you need to know about this ass*ole. He has no legal authority for the decisions he's making

Planning regulator was ‘rattled’ by local authority’s legal action

Watchdog sought meeting with Minister for Housing over Cork County Council challenge

www.irishtimes.com

What do we want ? Not houses
Where do we want them? Somewhere else.

We are feeling the effects of a regulatory body appointment that came from the brains trust who gave us our massively corrupt planning board.

Its no wonder people cant get houses.

What does being unelected have to do with it? Should we have an elected planning regulator? Maybe an elected financial regulator as well, that'd work great I'd imagine. Or let's go whole hog and get elected judges like the states.

He doesn't make policies or decisions. He simply checks if Council plans are in line with national policy and other statutory requirements, and if not then pulls them up on it. A lot of the time, it's simply to say they haven't don't the evidence.

The exact same process is followed in the UK with the planning inspectorate. The fact the Tories are better able to accept an independent audit of their plan making than the pitch fork bearing dipshit cllrs of this country is a sad indictment of local government here.

On the housing - you're clearly of the school of thinking that we should go back to zoning land for 100 times more homes than we actually need regardless of location or suitability. That worked out very well previously.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

One or two proccers are in for a big pay day if this goes through.

I'll say no more.

What does being unelected have to do with it? Should we have an elected planning regulator? Maybe an elected financial regulator as well, that'd work great I'd imagine. Or let's go whole hog and get elected judges like the states.

He doesn't make policies or decisions. He simply checks if Council plans are in line with national policy and other statutory requirements, and if not then pulls them up on it. A lot of the time, it's simply to say they haven't don't the evidence.

The exact same process is followed in the UK with the planning inspectorate. The fact the Tories are better able to accept an independent audit of their plan making than the pitch fork bearing dipshit cllrs of this country is a sad indictment of local government here.

On the housing - you're clearly of the school of thinking that we should go back to zoning land for 100 times more homes than we actually need regardless of location or suitability. That worked out very well previously.

Clueless.


Laughably so.

 

[Barry K O Bama]

This is a power struggle

The Regulator is a dogmatic individual with tunnel vision on many planning issues

He is primarily responsible for unworkable high densities. He is against the urban sprawl
That's fine for Dublin but doesn't work for small towns with populations of 1% of Dublin.

This has forced developers to apply for permission for apartments that cannot be built

Huge amounts of serviced development land are sterilised due to OPR inane density levels

OPR is a significant contributer to the housing crisis

The market always decides

If the market wants a retail centre in Carrigtwohill, then let it happen

The PR must be replaced within a year.

This is essential

 

[budwards dad]

A bunch of knuckledragging hucksters want to facilitate an English property company in making a speculative property play in the middle of nowhere. Fuck them. Let them buy the former Debenhams building in the city centre if they’re that interested.

Well said

 

[Happyhonkaman]

This is a power struggle

The Regulator is a dogmatic individual with tunnel vision on many planning issues

He is primarily responsible for unworkable high densities. He is against the urban sprawl
That's fine for Dublin but doesn't work for small towns with populations of 1% of Dublin.

This has forced developers to apply for permission for apartments that cannot be built

Huge amounts of serviced development land are sterilised due to OPR inane density levels

OPR is a significant contributer to the housing crisis

The market always decides

If the market wants a retail centre in Carrigtwohill, then let it happen

The PR must be replaced within a year.

This is essential

Barry, it’s pretty clear from your post that you don’t understand much about planning or how it works

Letting the market decide what is built as a strategy? Are you having a focking laugh?

 

[Roxetten]

It's pretty obvious from reading back over this thread that one particular poster, who shall remain nameless for now, is extremely keen to see this development go ahead.

We need Cork Beo to get their best investigate journalist on to this right now.

 

[Barry K O Bama]

Barry, it’s pretty clear from your post that you don’t understand much about planning or how it works

Letting the market decide what is built as a strategy? Are you having a focking laugh?

I am not suggesting that the Planning Procedure should be abandoned.

Kildare Village is popular. Many people from this area use the facility.

I believe that a Retail Park in Carrigtwohill would work and would benefit the consumer.

Regulation is needed in many areas, including the planning process but the current head of the OPR is over zealous and creating more problems than he is solving. Wrong man for the job and his days are numbered.

 

[TheOutdoorThreadmill]

It's pretty obvious from reading back over this thread that one particular poster, who shall remain nameless for now, is extremely keen to see this development go ahead.

We need Cork Beo to get their best investigate journalist on to this right now.

 

[Jukka]

This is a power struggle

The Regulator is a dogmatic individual with tunnel vision on many planning issues

He is primarily responsible for unworkable high densities. He is against the urban sprawl
That's fine for Dublin but doesn't work for small towns with populations of 1% of Dublin.

This has forced developers to apply for permission for apartments that cannot be built

Huge amounts of serviced development land are sterilised due to OPR inane density levels

OPR is a significant contributer to the housing crisis

The market always decides

If the market wants a retail centre in Carrigtwohill, then let it happen

The PR must be replaced within a year.

This is essential

Housing densities have been set by government through their urban residential density guidelines. The regulator is making sure development plans are in line with this.

If the government came up with different density guidelines, the regulator would instead be checking plans against those.

Once again for those at the back, the regulator does not set national policy, it just simply enforces it - or more accurately, and advises the minister for housing on when they need to enforce it.