2023 Premier SHC

[exmonboy]

We have 3 current Cork seniors,2 former brozzy & Mackey,&kennefick called into a training panel and cottsy turned them down,that’s 7 inter county players in the 15,something not right,Richie out of his depth got lucky 2015&’16

 

[TheEarlofPearl]

When you look at the demographics of modern Blackpool, it seems obvious that the Glen isn't really representative of the contemporary community anymore. Of course they're far from being the only club that isn't properly plugged into the local immigrant community, it just looks more obvious with them.

Pop along on a Saturday morning and have a look at the academy before posting such nonsense on here

All clubs can become a bit obsessed with developing the next generation of a few families who have dominated the club in the past. That's hardly surprising as kids from families steeped in GAA often seem to make very good hurlers. Such GAA families are sometimes the hard working heartbeat of a club and it's only natural that they can look to other families with similar pedigrees.

How many of the Glen senior team on Sunday came from families that dominated the club in the past?

 

[BossHogg]

Ffs Dorris is still a sub,buster could have a jersey aswell,big difference winning kids championships and turning them into seniors,last year’s manager proved that

Speaking of Dorris, whatever happened his brother Diarmuid? Was at one point the next star forward.

 

[JimmyBarrySmurph]

When you look at the demographics of modern Blackpool, it seems obvious that the Glen isn't really representative of the contemporary community anymore. Of course they're far from being the only club that isn't properly plugged into the local immigrant community, it just looks more obvious with them.

All clubs can become a bit obsessed with developing the next generation of a few families who have dominated the club in the past. That's hardly surprising as kids from families steeped in GAA often seem to make very good hurlers. Such GAA families are sometimes the hard working heartbeat of a club and it's only natural that they can look to other families with similar pedigrees.

But the clubs who can reach out and bring in new members from non-GAA families, while maintaining their traditional memberships are the clubs who'll thrive. I think we're all behind the curve on that one. Ladies football and camogie have made it obvious to me that there's a big future in bringing in players from families who haven't been involved before. There are quite a few women walking around with AI medals who weren't from GAA families. The GAA just seems less interested. I noted that when signing up for Rebel TV, they ask you what club you're from. There might be reasons why such info is useful to the County Board and it's a fair question to ask. However a more pertinent question might be: Are you a club member? That would at least tell them how many people are out there with an intense interest in GAA, who haven't joined or maintained club membership. They're clearly not even interested enough to ask.

There is so much wrong with this post in my opinion.
At a minimum It’s disrespectful to everyone living in the Blackpool/Mayfield area that you’d bring race into this discussion about club hurling,
It’s complex or arguably very straight forward why boys from some tradition gaa families do well. It is a combination of genetics, interest, simply having a better chance with their support network and are in the right environment to develop.
The days of GAA clubs going round to houses or the parish priest calling up to the door to get young fellas out hurling with the club are gone. The GAA are more inclusive and tolerant of other sports than they were before.

 

[Mr.Mustard]

We have 3 current Cork seniors,2 former brozzy & Mackey,&kennefick called into a training panel and cottsy turned them down,that’s 7 inter county players in the 15,something not right,Richie out of his depth got lucky 2015&’16

this is ridiculous on many levels!

 

[Dick Holder]

There is so much wrong with this post in my opinion.
At a minimum It’s disrespectful to everyone living in the Blackpool/Mayfield area that you’d bring race into this discussion about club hurling,
It’s complex or arguably very straight forward why boys from some tradition gaa families do well. It is a combination of genetics, interest, simply having a better chance with their support network and are in the right environment to develop.
The days of GAA clubs going round to houses or the parish priest calling up to the door to get young fellas out hurling with the club are gone. The GAA are more inclusive and tolerant of other sports than they were before.

Well I certainly didn't intend any disrespect to anybody, in any area and I'm not sure why mentioning (or alluding to) race would offend anybody.

I completely agree that lads from GAA families often make great players, for a variety of reasons.

The GAA is certainly a very tolerant organisation. A fantastic organisation in many ways. I've never encountered anything but a general atmosphere of tolerance and respect, and I wouldn'y dream of suggesting otherwise.

The point remains though - immigrant communities are not embracing GAA to the extent that one would hope. That is absolutely, positively, NOT because the GAA (or any club that I'm aware of) wouldn't welcome them as much as they would non-immigrant players. It might well be because the PP doesn't call to the door anymore. But whatever the reason, it is an issue that should be remedied if we want our clubs and our games to grow in strength. Being tolerent of other sports is a good idea. Taking a back seat and letting them have exclusive access to your potential player base, is not.

We want more kids, from all communities, playing hurling. We do not want under-representation of any community, Surely we can agree on that?

 

[JimmyBarrySmurph]

Well I certainly didn't intend any disrespect to anybody, in any area and I'm not sure why mentioning (or alluding to) race would offend anybody.

I completely agree that lads from GAA families often make great players, for a variety of reasons.

The GAA is certainly a very tolerant organisation. A fantastic organisation in many ways. I've never encountered anything but a general atmosphere of tolerance and respect, and I wouldn'y dream of suggesting otherwise.

The point remains though - immigrant communities are not embracing GAA to the extent that one would hope. That is absolutely, positively, NOT because the GAA (or any club that I'm aware of) wouldn't welcome them as much as they would non-immigrant players. It might well be because the PP doesn't call to the door anymore. But whatever the reason, it is an issue that should be remedied if we want our clubs and our games to grow in strength. Being tolerent of other sports is a good idea. Taking a back seat and letting them have exclusive access to your potential player base, is not.

We want more kids, from all communities, playing hurling. We do not want under-representation of any community, Surely we can agree on that?

GAA clubs can continue to adapt and improve what they have to offer all young players.. however, it’s important to say that nothing can match the GAA and what it already does in my opinion. The carry on in most other sports is just mind blowing.. I have family playing other sports but as I said to one coach recently, I’m not at all surprised that sports Ireland stopped funding this sport.
I also think it’s important to respect other cultures, as our demographic changes. Our education and housing system here will help with a sustainable integration into a new Irish society.
We can be very proud in Cork of the likes of the O HAilpin family and what they achieved after they arrived and how well the city and county embraced them as our own.

 

[Dick Holder]

Pop along on a Saturday morning and have a look at the academy before posting such nonsense on here

How many of the Glen senior team on Sunday came from families that dominated the club in the past?

I assume the point you're making is that there are lots of lads/lassies whose folks are immigrants playing underage with the Glen? If so, I'm happy to take your word for it and I genuinely hope that some of them start to come through to the adult section, sooner rather than later. That's be great for the glen, and great for hurling generally.

I know very little about the Glen. You'll note that that point was made about GAA clubs in general and not specifically the Glen. Perhaps I should have made that more clear, and I apologise if I offended you. It's probably reasonable to assume that some clubs (not specifically the Glen) depend on a handful of families to produce generations of players. Those players are often fantastic, those families are often driven, devoted, and hard working. Nothing I write here should be misconstrued as denigrating any of them. They all have my absolute respect. I'm merely suggesting that while depending your club's future on Micky Tom's young fella, might be effective, it might be more effective to depend on attracting other families (some of which will be immigrant) too. And that is not to even begin to suggest that any club would not be welcoming to newcomers, it is simply acknoledging what looks the reality - that many clubs can't attract them. And that those (like the Glen) who do, may not be holding their inteerst.

Nothing too controversial there, I hope.

 

[Dick Holder]

GAA clubs can continue to adapt and improve what they have to offer all young players.. however, it’s important to say that nothing can match the GAA and what it already does in my opinion. The carry on in most other sports is just mind blowing.. I have family playing other sports but as I said to one coach recently, I’m not at all surprised that sports Ireland stopped funding this sport.
I also think it’s important to respect other cultures, as our demographic changes. Our education and housing system here will help with a sustainable integration into a new Irish society.
We can be very proud in Cork of the likes of the O HAilpin family and what they achieved after they arrived and how well the city and county embraced them as our own.

I agree.

 

[TheEarlofPearl]

I assume the point you're making is that there are lots of lads/lassies whose folks are immigrants playing underage with the Glen? If so, I'm happy to take your word for it and I genuinely hope that some of them start to come through to the adult section, sooner rather than later. That's be great for the glen, and great for hurling generally.

I know very little about the Glen. You'll note that that point was made about GAA clubs in general and not specifically the Glen.

Really?

When you look at the demographics of modern Blackpool, it seems obvious that the Glen isn't really representative of the contemporary community anymore. Of course they're far from being the only club that isn't properly plugged into the local immigrant community, it just looks more obvious with them.