12th/Bonfire night

[PROCNA2018]

Moved from the Brexit thread

Some poor misfortunate is after falling off a bonfire and died. They need to be ended on all sides.

 

[jimmym]

Moved from the Brexit thread

Some poor misfortunate is after falling off a bonfire and died. They need to be ended on all sides.

Republicans traditionally marked the anniversary of internment in august with bonfires but have moved away from that,
I think feile belfeirste ? replaced bonfires,

 

[The High King]

I always though Republican bonfires were just them aping the loyalist ones.
Almost as sad as how they all say boxing day instead of St Stephens day.

 

[Stacky]

Moved from the Brexit thread

Girl qualifies from QUB midweek having run the Holy Cross school gauntlet a few years ago - loyalists make an effigy of her for their bonfire.

The Catholic/Nationalist population are getting a 3rd level education while the local Loyalists are just practicing voodoo and still burning things.

In a few years she will be interviewing them for menial jobs or approving their housing grant etc.

 

[jimmym]

The Catholic/Nationalist population are getting a 3rd level education while the local Loyalists are just practicing voodoo and still burning things.

In a few years she will be interviewing them for menial jobs or approving their housing grant etc.

I listened to an interview recently with journalist eamon Mallie and he made that very point , He said catholics made a big effort to educate themselves
while loyalists sat back and in most cases made no effort,

 

[TheOutdoorThreadmill]

Republicans traditionally marked the anniversary of internment in august with bonfires but have moved away from that,
I think feile belfeirste ? replaced bonfires,

Nationalist bonfires lit in Londonderry

Traditional August bonfires have been lit in nationalist areas across Londonderry.

m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

 

[SoundMan]

Probably just collect them over the year, keeps the oul hatred burning.

Yeah they just "collect" purloin/acquire/remove/snaffle etc etc them over the year, but bear in mind that the guys doing deliveries to the north on pallets typically have paid between 12 and 20 quid deposit for them. Tens of thousands of these pallets go "missing" each year up there. Somebody has to pay for that in terms of delivery cost. Unlikely the haulage companies are bearing the entire brunt of the hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of pallets year on year. The extra cost of items in the north compared to Britain will have the cost of pallets factored in too.

There's a particular company, I forget the name something like Cene I think, that has theirs painted a distinctive blue to make retreival easier. All to no avail when they're atop some bonfire or other. But the paint when burnt is particularly carcenogenic. So all in all it's a fairly toxic atmosphere around these pyres.

 

[SoundMan]

I listened to an interview recently with journalist eamon Mallie and he made that very point , He said catholics made a big effort to educate themselves
while loyalists sat back and in most cases made no effort,

It was part of their culture - they didn't need to have a good education or be particularly bright as they'd be brought into a good trade. But those times they are a changing. I remember in the 80s the Shankill and the Falls looked very similar (apart from the bunting and theme of the murals obviously), but post the GFA, nationalists moved on and while the Falls didn't quite become gentrified there seemed to be a lot of pride of place and people had their houses neat and tidy and they wanted to improve their lot. A big emphasis was put on learning. So much so that now there are loyalists claiming that Queens of all places, has become a bastion of Nationalism and that it's a cold place for loyalists. The legal profession is being "taken over by taigs"

Going down both streets today you'd find it hard to imagine they were almost identical apart from colour of flags a couple of decades back. Particularly the lower Shankill looks like an even more derelict and dirty North Main Street but with red white, and blue bunting and murals. The Falls still has the murals but they're more political now than showing gunmen, and the street itself has no graffiti or rubbish or the like.

Loyalist ways are on the wane, and even thought the UVF are rubbishing suggestions that they're disbanding, the IRA are long gone. Their raison d'etre went with the GFA. The loosely related UVF chiefs still need to keep their drugs empires running.

UVF rubbishes rumours terror group set to announce its disbandment

A senior loyalist source has denied suggestions the UVF is to make a statement “of significant importance” in the coming days.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

 

[SoundMan]

Moved from the Brexit thread

Some poor misfortunate is after falling off a bonfire and died. They need to be ended on all sides.

Loyalists see the suggestion of limiting any of their coat-trailing escapades as trying to diminish their culture. The fact that they've been aided and abetted by the RUC/PSNI and the norn Fire Service for decades means that they've an expectation to be tolerated now.

 

[The High King]

It was part of their culture - they didn't need to have a good education or be particularly bright as they'd be brought into a good trade. But those times they are a changing. I remember in the 80s the Shankill and the Falls looked very similar, but post the GFA, nationalists moved on and while the Falls didn't quite become gentrified there seemed to be a lot of pride of place and people had their houses neat and tidy and they wanted to improve their lot. A big emphasis was put on learning. So much so that now there are loyalists claiming that Queens of all places, has become a bastion of Nationalism and that it's a cold place for loyalists. The legal profession is being "taken over by taigs"

Going down both streets today you'd find it hard to imagine they were almost identical apart from colour of flags a couple of decades back. Particularly the lower Shankill looks like an even more derelict and dirty North Main Street but with red white, and blue bunting and murals. The Falls still has the murals but they're more political now than showing gunmen, and the street itself has no graffiti or rubbish or the like.

Loyalist ways are on the wane, and even thought the UVF are rubbishing suggestions that they're disbanding, the IRA are long gone. Their raison d'etre went with the GFA. The loosely related UVF chiefs still need to keep their drugs empires running.

UVF rubbishes rumours terror group set to announce its disbandment

A senior loyalist source has denied suggestions the UVF is to make a statement “of significant importance” in the coming days.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

It's behind a paywall m8.