The County Board Complaints Thread

Does Frank Need To Go


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Option A is much better imo. My biggest gripe with Option B is that it allows that lower intermediate hurling grade to remain as Premier Junior which is a terrible grade. Some clubs in there based on what they did 15/20 years ago and nothing since. The Cork Junior A champions would probably fare better in Munster than the winner of that grade. Also with Option B we have clubs from different divisions coming into Premier Junior for football, some divisions like Imokily wouldn’t have the same standard as that of Carbery, Duhallow. what gives Urhan the right to just go straight into a higher grade.

Option B doesn’t solve the problem of Kerry’s dominance in football either. We’re still looking at currently junior standard clubs competing in that competition whereas to compete with Kerry we’d need the teams winning the current IFC to have a chance.
 
For anyone who hasn’t seen the full proposals.. The following options, hereby circulated on behalf of the County Executive and CCC will be voted on at the next County Committee meeting on Tuesday, February 1st. There will be an open webinar and Q&A to provide further detail on the options on next Tuesday, January 25th @7.30pm. Link to follow. Intermediate & Junior Championship Proposal Following the circulation of the proposed master fixture plan before Christmas, a meeting took place with Divisional officers recently where it was made clear to the County CCC that the deadlines for the completion of Divisional Junior A competitions in early September were not achievable. The combined effects of the split season and rigid Munster deadlines meant that a total of seven weekends were available for the completion of both Junior Football and Hurling Championships in the Divisions. A window of twelve to fourteen weeks would be more appropriate. It was agreed by all that this scenario was not workable and thus, a number of solutions were considered. Firstly, the current structures (Option C - “Status Quo”) could possibly be maintained if knockout championships were re-introduced to all Divisions or if Cork representation in Munster Junior competitions was discontinued. Both options were immediately ruled out. Further consideration was given to nominated panels of 15 being named by Senior and Intermediate clubs, thus allowing Junior competitions to start earlier, by perhaps three to four weeks. However, this was not considered viable as implementation would be too difficult for clubs and appropriate monitoring of same would not be possible. Also, with just 15 named players ruled out, it would give a distinct disadvantage to second teams of clubs. Also, it would not assist Divisions where inter-county players lined out for Junior clubs, thus not being in a position to start earlier. Neither would the separation of first and second teams into different sections as the championship would be delayed by a County player in any case. In the course of the meeting another proposal (Option A - “Intermediate A renamed as Premier Junior”) was put forward by one Division. Under this model, the lowest Intermediate grade in each code (4th grade) would be renamed as Premier Junior and the winners of that 12-team competition would represent Cork in the Munster Junior Championship annually. If so, the Munster Junior deadline would be achievable, along a similar time-frame to Senior and Intermediate deadlines. Then, the full calendar year could be allocated to Junior A championships for the Divisional and subsequent County stages. If this were to be approved by County Committee in 2022, then "Intermediate A Football" and "Lower Intermediate Hurling" would be immediately renamed as “Premier Junior A Football” and “Premier Junior A Hurling” for the current year and the winners of the respective competitions would proceed to Munster Junior championships. Then, in 2023, the Hurling competition would discontinue (as previously approved) and "Intermediate A Hurling" would be renamed as "Premier Junior A Hurling". Ultimately, there would be four grades under the County Board, "Premier Senior" (12 teams), "Senior A" (12 teams), "Intermediate" (12 teams), "Premier Junior" (16 teams). For example, in 2023, the following 12 teams would be in "Premier Junior Hurling"; Sarsfields, Aghada, Cloughduv, Aghabullogue, Mayfield, Midleton, Blackrock, Douglas, Dungourney, Kildorrery, Lisgoold, Meelin, along with four of the following clubs (the remainder would play Junior A in the Divisions): Kilbrittain, Glen Rovers, Ballygarvan, Tracton, Argideen Rangers, Milford, Ballygiblin, Barryroe, Dripsey, St. Finbarr’s, St. Catherine’s, Russell Rovers. For example, in 2023, the following teams would be in "Premier Junior Football"; Mitchelstown, St. Nick’s, Kilshannig, Aghabullogue Glanworth, Millstreet, Dromtarriffe, Ballydesmond, Adrigole, Boherbue, Gabriel Rangers, Ballinora, Glanmire, Glenville, Kildorrery, St. Finbarr’s. An alternative proposal (Option B - “Lower Intermediate renamed as Premier Junior”) with some similarities, has subsequently been brought forward. Again, the lowest Intermediate grade would be renamed as Premier Junior, but in this case, it would be the fifth grade. In other words, "Lower Intermediate Hurling" would be retained and renamed as "Premier Junior Hurling", while in football a new fifth grade of Football (12 teams) would be added and named as "Premier Junior Football. This grade of 12 teams would be formed by the bottom four teams in Intermediate A football in 2022 along with the eight Divisional winners from 2022 also. It would also address this issue of Urhan having no championship games in their Division currently as they would automaically be graded premier junior as Beara winners. Ultimately, there would be five grades under the County Board, "Premier Senior" (12 teams), "Senior A" (12 teams), "Premier Intermediate" (12 teams), "Intermediate A" (12 teams) and "Premier Junior" (12 teams). For example, in 2022, the following 12 teams would be in Premier Junior Hurling; Kilbrittain, Glen Rovers, Ballygarvan, Tracton, Argideen Rangers, Milford, Ballygiblin, Barryroe, Dripsey, St. Finbarr’s, St. Catherine’s, Russell Rovers. For example, in 2023, Premier Junior Football would be comprised of 4 current Intermediate A teams along with the eight Divisional winners from 2022. In 2022, Junior A football would take priority in the Divisions so that the Divisional winners could complete the County stages in time for this year’s deadline. The fifth grade winners (currently LIHC – renamed as Premier Junior) would represent Cork in Junior Hurling in 2022. Therefore, three options will go to County Committee on February 1st and a vote will take place to select the preferred option. (Option A) The fourth grade, Intermediate A, would be renamed as “Premier Junior” with the winners representing Cork in Munster. (Option B) The fifth grade, Lower Intermediate, would be renamed as “Premier Junior" with the winners representing Cork in Munster. (Option C) The 'status quo', which will require knockout Junior championships and midweek games. The vote will be by proportional representation with clubs voting in order of their preferred choices. An online webinar Q&A session with clubs on the proposals will follow on Tuesday Jan 25th at 7.30pm, before a decision at the following week’s County Committee meeting. Clubs are welcome to submit queries on all of the above by email.
 
Option A is much better imo. My biggest gripe with Option B is that it allows that lower intermediate hurling grade to remain as Premier Junior which is a terrible grade. Some clubs in there based on what they did 15/20 years ago and nothing since. The Cork Junior A champions would probably fare better in Munster than the winner of that grade. Also with Option B we have clubs from different divisions coming into Premier Junior for football, some divisions like Imokily wouldn’t have the same standard as that of Carbery, Duhallow. what gives Urhan the right to just go straight into a higher grade.

Option B doesn’t solve the problem of Kerry’s dominance in football either. We’re still looking at currently junior standard clubs competing in that competition whereas to compete with Kerry we’d need the teams winning the current IFC to have a chance.
Good points there on option A

I'd said B was best but you're making me think twice now, I can see alright what your pointing out
 
Option A is far better but there should only be on senior grade and have two intermediate grades below that. Rename intermediate A as premier junior. Remove LIHC from hurling then too.

That would definitely help standards a little and certainly out in Munster and beyond. I wouldn’t even really have a premier junior if it was me. I would fire the anyone intermediate A or below down to the divisions and bring some much needed life into them and the overall junior county.
 
Good points there on option A

I'd said B was best but you're making me think twice now, I can see alright what your pointing out
I would say as another poster mentioned that for current junior clubs it’s all about winning the county anyway. Munster is only an afterthought. So Option A makes sense in that regard as it allows Junior clubs to play on later in the year. Biggest opposition to Option A will come in the form of the intermediate clubs who will not want to be regraded as ‘Premier Junior’ and the LIHC clubs who will be sent back to their divisions finally. Option A protects divisions and the standard in them while streamlining dates for completion of Cork comps that require clubs to go out to Munster. A win win I feel
 
Option A is much better imo. My biggest gripe with Option B is that it allows that lower intermediate hurling grade to remain as Premier Junior which is a terrible grade. Some clubs in there based on what they did 15/20 years ago and nothing since. The Cork Junior A champions would probably fare better in Munster than the winner of that grade. Also with Option B we have clubs from different divisions coming into Premier Junior for football, some divisions like Imokily wouldn’t have the same standard as that of Carbery, Duhallow. what gives Urhan the right to just go straight into a higher grade.

Option B doesn’t solve the problem of Kerry’s dominance in football either. We’re still looking at currently junior standard clubs competing in that competition whereas to compete with Kerry we’d need the teams winning the current IFC to have a chance.
Bit of an assumption there asserting that Cork Junior A H Co champs would fare better than LIHC Champs in a Munster Junior HC, are Lisgoold a lesser side than Ballygiblin?
 

I think most Divisional Junior clubs are interested in winning there divisions first, then a run in the County championship.
Munster championship isn't even thought about during the year.
I couldn't agree with this more. The fact we would rename or organise our own structure because of what Kerry do or Tipp might do is madness.

Again Ballygiblin are Munster champions. No issue there right?

Get our own structures right and the rest will follow.
 
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