DUP...........Batshi t Craziness

[jimmym]

Listened to gavin reilly show yesterday morning he had fergus finlay and
aoife moore on, Aoife moore was shocked at the cost here of sending a child back to school, she said most of the people she speaks to in Derry in particular
ask in what way will a united ireland make their lives better? that is the
bottom line, This is coming from people in creggan and the bogside not just
from the shankill rd, Of course that can be evened out to a degree when you
compare our welfare rates to those up north, Finlay said he would vote yes as would many others but if people are told it will come at a financial cost it could be a different matter,

 

[SoundMan]

"Protocol or peace" is the mantra at Loyalist rallies now.

There is no political capital for the DUP by sticking with agreements they've already made about the Irish language. Long term, it's very hard for them to continue to oppose everything and also be in government at the same time. Swapping places with the UUP would suit them but if theres an election they'll be decimated if they appear to have a leader who isn't hardline.

The DUP membership don't want a leader that will make any compromises with nationalists. Their tactic is resistance at all costs to what looks to many of them like an inevitable United Ireland.

Irish language signage, to them, is a massive blow to their dominance. Itll feel a lot less like the UK if there's bilingual signage everywhere or if there's Irish language options on state websites.

Bomb or ballot box? Thats the best they can offer their supporters now.

The UUP are also in Government in the north.

Who can forget the "Robin Swan is dangerous" duet between Ian Paisley Jnr and Van Morrison.

The longer these creationist bigots and their narco terrorist supporters are pandered to and given legitimacy the more it will undermine the GFA.

Bad enough that Arlene and the rest of the DUP would still consult the Loyalist Community Council (read UDA/UVF/Red Hand Commando) 23 years after the GFA; and worse that Jeffry Donaldson publicly stated that elements of it were intimidating his people in the internal DUP election race; but that the British Government representative chose to sit down with the LCC is astounding.

Imagine the outcry if the Republican Dissidents put forward a spokesperson and they were getting discussions with the Irish government.

Marching season is fast approaching and giving these scrotes more gravitas than they should be getting is doing nothing for peace in the north.

 

[SoundMan]

The UUP approach is riskier to a lot of unionists: give nationalists what they want, make the most of the protocol and embrace access to the EU market etc.

That way moderate and middle class nationalists are far less likely to vote for a United Ireland because if you're reasonably well off and happy why would you risk destabilizing the state you live in?

A stable, prosperous NI isn't good for DUP or Shinners no matter what they say. There are parallels with other conflicts like Hamas and Nethanyahu's support base.

The UUP approach is based on making republicans and nationalists less angry and exercised about identity issues by making concessions.

Many unionists feel that nationalists will just keep turning the screw and demanding more and more concessions and they will be waltzed into a United Ireland. The border poll is the big one. That's why there will always be big divisions in unionism.

The DUP and hardline Loyalist approach is resist absolutely everything now for as long as possible because if you concede on this issue, nationalists will just replace it with another immediately.

You try to equate DUP and SF as being as bad as each other, while at the same time trying to portray the UUP as somehow being the face of reasonableness. God luv ya, you haven't a clue if that's your take on northern politics.

Yes SF have dropped 3% in 4 years but SDLP didn't pick up any of it. The Alliance Party (not the UUP who you seem to be bigging up as reasonable) are the ones benefiting from the uplift in some peoples conditions and more hopeful outlooks.

SF have dropped 3% from 28 to 25% in 4 years while the DUP have dropped from 28% to 16% (and that's not all down to Poots!). Meanwhile, your pals in the UUP have gone from 13% to only 14%. Where the middle-classes who are experiencing an uplift are changing their vote to seems to be The Alliance Party, who in the same 4 years have gone from 9% to 16%.

If these trends continue to next May (or sooner) then the First Minister will be a Sinn Féin nominee, and amazingly the Deputy First Minister will be an Alliance Party nominee.

Yes the UUP are more reasonable than the DUP, but that's just them being "tallest of the seven dwarfs".

 

[Stacky]

You try to equate DUP and SF as being as bad as each other, while at the same time trying to portray the UUP as somehow being the face of reasonableness. God luv ya, you haven't a clue if that's your take on northern politics.

Yes SF have dropped 3% in 4 years but SDLP didn't pick up any of it. The Alliance Party (not the UUP who you seem to be bigging up as reasonable) are the ones benefiting from the uplift in some peoples conditions and more hopeful outlooks.

SF have dropped 3% from 28 to 25% in 4 years while the DUP have dropped from 28% to 16% (and that's not all down to Poots!). Meanwhile, your pals in the UUP have gone from 13% to only 14%. Where the middle-classes who are experiencing an uplift are changing their vote to seems to be The Alliance Party, who in the same 4 years have gone from 9% to 16%.

If these trends continue to next May (or sooner) then the First Minister will be a Sinn Féin nominee, and amazingly the Deputy First Minister will be an Alliance Party nominee.

Yes the UUP are more reasonable than the DUP, but that's just them being "tallest of the seven dwarfs".

 

[Choice is yours]

Meanwhile, your pals in the UUP

The Shinnerbot creed.

 

[SoundMan]

It should be said that many Presbyterian unionists feel more of an affinity with their religious Scottish brethren rather than their English counterparts. Their ancestry is Scottish rather than English.

That's why Scottish independence frightens the life out of many Nordie prods. If Scotland exit GB then what are they loyal to by staying in the union?

Borris's bullshit bridge to Scotland could become a bridge to the EU (not that it will happen in our lifetime) which would be hilarious.

That's why the DUP appear so "batshit crazy". The future for unionism is dim so the only roads are either resist everything to the death and cultivate instability to ensure poorer loyalists lap up the unionist populism or go the UUP route of trying to make concessions with the risk of being slowly walked into a United Ireland.

Can be doing without that kind of terminology if you don't mind.

That bridge would have to transverse the beaufort-dyke (50 km long, 3.5 km wide and 200–300 m deep) which is choc full of unexploded military ordinance, or else go from Torr Head to the Mull of Kintyre - a distance of 68 miles. Torr Head to Belfast is over 60 miles, while Mull of Kintyre to Glasgow by road is almost 150 miles!!!

So driving from Belfast to Glasgow on such a bridge would be 280 miles, and that's just to Glasgow. There wouldn't be any day trippers to London (400+ miles and a further 7 hours) by car. Or even week-end trippers. Much quicker for drivers and their loads to go Larne Stranraer on ferry for Glasgow (2 hour crossing and 2 hours further to Glasgow), or Dublin Hollyhead for London.

Can't ever see such a bridge being built as it wouldn't be economicially viable imho. And of course there's more and more rumblings for the Scots to leave the union themselves so building a bridge to Scotland to help maintain the north in the union mightn't be all that clever even if it did make financial sense

 

[SoundMan]

I see the "but that's just them being "tallest of the seven dwarfs" reference went completely over your head :lol:


Most people would have gotten it, but for dullards like you I'll break it down smaller so that even you can digest it.

A party can be more reasonable than the DUP without being reasonable Jacob.

 

[The High King]

Can be doing without that kind of terminology if you don't mind.

That bridge would have to transverse the beaufort-dyke (50 km long, 3.5 km wide and 200–300 m deep) which is choc full of unexploded military ordinance, or else go from Torr Head to the Mull of Kintyre - a distance of 68 miles. Torr Head to Belfast is over 60 miles, while Mull of Kintyre to Glasgow by road is almost 150 miles!!!

So driving from Belfast to Glasgow on such a bridge would be 280 miles, and that's just to Glasgow. There wouldn't be any day trippers to London (400+ miles and a further 7 hours) by car. Or even week-end trippers. Much quicker for drivers and their loads to go Larne Stranraer on ferry for Glasgow (2 hour crossing and 2 hours further to Glasgow), or Dublin Hollyhead for London.

Can't ever see such a bridge being built as it wouldn't be economicially viable imho. And of course there's more and more rumblings for the Scots to leave the union themselves so building a bridge to Scotland to help maintain the north in the union mightn't be all that clever even if it did make financial sense

The trench will have to be cleaned up anyway regardless.
That route is really the only viable one and the only one being considered at the moment.

 

[Stacky]

I see the "but that's just them being "tallest of the seven dwarfs" reference went completely over your head :lol:


Most people would have gotten it, but for dullards like you I'll break it down smaller so that even you can digest it.

A party can be more reasonable than the DUP without being reasonable Jacob.

There are far-right parties in Europe more reasonable and tolerant than the D.U.P. so it was a weak analogy.

You are either reasonable or you are not and the U.U.P. have proven that they can be. The U.U.P. negotiated the G.F.A. and signed up while the D.U.P. protested and objected.

You described the U.U.P. as being "unreasonable" and then went on to say that they were "reasonable"

Your fairytale reference is irrelevant as the political situation is real and live and S.F.,Alliance, S.D.L.P. etc will have to do business and Govern in Stormont.

 

[SoundMan]

The trench will have to be cleaned up anyway regardless.
That route is really the only viable one and the only one being considered at the moment.

Can't see the beaufort dyke being cleaned up very easily to be honest. What's to be done with all of the rusty mines and explosives and other undesireable waste from the site. And even if it IS cleared up, good luck with bridge supports for something to span a trench that's 200 to 300 meters deep and 3.5 Km long that can carry heavy traffic. The one linking Denmark and Sweden is impressive - it runs 8km to an artificial island and then goes into a tunnel, but the depth of the water it transverses is an average of roughly 26M. Picture a bridge running more than 10 times longer and over a trench that goes to a depth of about 12 times that?

Can't see it happening any time soon.