Russia's unjustifiable war of aggression in Ukraine

Looks like you covered all the current Russian talking points here. The US (and NATO) are fighting a proxy war against Russia using Ukrainian troops in order to kill as many Russians as possible. Russia is fighting to keep NATO off its doorstep because NATO is simply a massive conspiracy to attack Russia. The war keeps going because, and only because, the Ukrainians won't "negotiate".

Putin has very clearly, and on many occasions, said that Ukraine is not a country. He thinks he's entitled to own it. So Ukraine is fighting for its existence. Even if Ukraine agreed to allow Russia to keep what they have occupied so far, Putin would not let them be a sovereign country. He claims that they are part of his "sphere of influence", an obsolete 19th century political term, which Putin believes should give him extra rights. Since he would never, in any negotiation, allow Ukraine to join NATO, they would become a Russian satellite, which next to outright annexation is what he has stated he wants. Your "argument" is the same one that the powerful aggressor always makes. Think of the widows and orphans.

NATO/US is not and has never been interested in attacking Russia. (And NATO is already on "Russia's doorstep" in any case). What NATO/US wants is to keep Russia from attacking whoever they want. Russia is a declining economy. If they want to become a world power, they are going to have to do it the normal way and create a world economy.

It doesn't matter what Putin wants or says. Russian talking points will have to be considered at the negotiating table and Putin will have to compromise too. That's how wars end.

The unfortunate thing it that that compromise probably isn't going to be as good for Ukraine now as it would have been before a country was decimated and hundreds of thousands of lives were lost. Even on a message board like this it's hard to say that loss of live was worth it for no gain.

Answer me how you see this ending. Russia defeated on their own door step? Do they just accept quietly accept that defeat? Any timeline?
 
It doesn't matter what Putin wants or says. Russian talking points will have to be considered at the negotiating table and Putin will have to compromise too. That's how wars end.

The unfortunate thing it that that compromise probably isn't going to be as good for Ukraine now as it would have been before a country was decimated and hundreds of thousands of lives were lost. Even on a message board like this it's hard to say that loss of live was worth it for no gain.

Answer me how you see this ending. Russia defeated on their own door step? Do they just accept quietly accept that defeat? Any timeline?
You sound like that Putin bot aka Silky!
 
From some days back This was in the public arena -even the Russians could read How much did American intelligence know

."Uk and US residents have been told not to travel to Russia amid a warning that a terror attack was planned for the country’s capital.

The US embassy in Russia warned that “extremists” had imminent plans for an attack in Moscow, hours after Russian security services said they had foiled a planned shooting at a synagogue by a cell from the Afghan arm of Islamic State.


The embassy, which has repeatedly urged all US citizens to leave Russia immediately, gave no further details about the nature of the threat, but said people should avoid concerts and crowds and be aware of their surroundings."
 
It doesn't matter what Putin wants or says. Russian talking points will have to be considered at the negotiating table and Putin will have to compromise too. That's how wars end.

The unfortunate thing it that that compromise probably isn't going to be as good for Ukraine now as it would have been before a country was decimated and hundreds of thousands of lives were lost. Even on a message board like this it's hard to say that loss of live was worth it for no gain.

Answer me how you see this ending. Russia defeated on their own door step? Do they just accept quietly accept that defeat? Any timeline?
Whatever else happens, a deal will succeed or not on whether Ukraine can join NATO. Because if Ukraine doesn’t join NATO, then it would only be a matter of time before Putin returns with another army. Everyone knows this.

Including you.
 
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