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<blockquote data-quote="How bad boy" data-source="post: 7084873" data-attributes="member: 3028"><p>You know that gender isn't that simple? Firstly that a lot of the boundaries between sexes are social, rather than biological differences, and secondly, even the biological boundaries aren't massively clear sometimes, e.g. males with XX chromosomes, people with XXY chromosomes, girls with only one X chromosome:</p><p><a href="https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development/" target="_blank">https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development/</a></p><p></p><p>Those conditions tend to be relatively rate (e.g. males with XX chromosomes is at a rate of only 1:20,000), but they absolutely do happen, to pretend they don't is very much ignoring the science.</p><p></p><p>And of course, scientifically speaking, male and female humans are remarkably similar in the animal world.</p><p></p><p>The but "men are bigger than women" thing isn't even fully consistent (e.g. my mother in law is 6ft tall). The average Dutch woman is 5'6, the average Filipino Man is 5'4. Why the enormous difference? Mostly sociological and local environmental, the average South Korean is almost 6 inches taller than 100 years ago and are on track to be taller than the average American in the next 30 years or so if current trends continue. Ugandans are getting shorter at a fairly rapid clip.</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/07/27/487391773/americans-are-shrinking-while-chinese-and-koreans-sprout-up?t=1660210422737[/URL]</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's all about "on average", but there's a massive range. One Samoan I used to play with was 6'6, 21 stone and was the fasted player on our team. Certainly wouldn't want to put him up against 99.9% of women, but I'd say 99% of men would struggle to stop that magnificent bastard in full flow too. He flattened me many, many times.</p><p></p><p>There are freakishly large, strong and fast women, as there are with men. I'm not sure how many fit, strong transsexuals are looking to play women's rugby at a decent level, the drug therapies tend to not be great for your health, but I can't imagine it's a particularly large number. hence why simplistic rules based on supposed assertions of science are frequently a mess.</p><p></p><p>This area is a minefield and gender is a much, much more fluid concept for folks in their teens today vs even folks 20 years older than them. It very much reminds me of the rampant homophobia pre-90s. I suspect it'll end up in the same place in 20 years time where people end up saying "Yeah, fuck it, whatever, call yourself what you like".</p><p></p><p>With all that said, that too low a barrier an entry to women's rugby is undeniably a problem. Saying "This week, I'm a woman and therefore in the women's team" is definitely something that needs to have some level of controls around. Just don't know how common a problem it is. Nor am I particularly certain that hard and fast rules help much with right now if it's not a common occurrence.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="How bad boy, post: 7084873, member: 3028"] You know that gender isn't that simple? Firstly that a lot of the boundaries between sexes are social, rather than biological differences, and secondly, even the biological boundaries aren't massively clear sometimes, e.g. males with XX chromosomes, people with XXY chromosomes, girls with only one X chromosome: [URL]https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development/[/URL] Those conditions tend to be relatively rate (e.g. males with XX chromosomes is at a rate of only 1:20,000), but they absolutely do happen, to pretend they don't is very much ignoring the science. And of course, scientifically speaking, male and female humans are remarkably similar in the animal world. The but "men are bigger than women" thing isn't even fully consistent (e.g. my mother in law is 6ft tall). The average Dutch woman is 5'6, the average Filipino Man is 5'4. Why the enormous difference? Mostly sociological and local environmental, the average South Korean is almost 6 inches taller than 100 years ago and are on track to be taller than the average American in the next 30 years or so if current trends continue. Ugandans are getting shorter at a fairly rapid clip. [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/07/27/487391773/americans-are-shrinking-while-chinese-and-koreans-sprout-up?t=1660210422737[/URL] It's all about "on average", but there's a massive range. One Samoan I used to play with was 6'6, 21 stone and was the fasted player on our team. Certainly wouldn't want to put him up against 99.9% of women, but I'd say 99% of men would struggle to stop that magnificent bastard in full flow too. He flattened me many, many times. There are freakishly large, strong and fast women, as there are with men. I'm not sure how many fit, strong transsexuals are looking to play women's rugby at a decent level, the drug therapies tend to not be great for your health, but I can't imagine it's a particularly large number. hence why simplistic rules based on supposed assertions of science are frequently a mess. This area is a minefield and gender is a much, much more fluid concept for folks in their teens today vs even folks 20 years older than them. It very much reminds me of the rampant homophobia pre-90s. I suspect it'll end up in the same place in 20 years time where people end up saying "Yeah, fuck it, whatever, call yourself what you like". With all that said, that too low a barrier an entry to women's rugby is undeniably a problem. Saying "This week, I'm a woman and therefore in the women's team" is definitely something that needs to have some level of controls around. Just don't know how common a problem it is. Nor am I particularly certain that hard and fast rules help much with right now if it's not a common occurrence. [/QUOTE]
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