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<blockquote data-quote="Killyoursons" data-source="post: 7085147" data-attributes="member: 6790"><p>A fair bit of that sounds plausible, but given what I know (and I'm definitely not an expert), I'm inclined to think that trans women should not be allowed to play women's rugby. The relevant points aren't really to do with average size but with the average performance gains that males get by undergoing puberty. This seems to be the single biggest factor in explaining why, across a wide range of sports, the top male performers are routinely well ahead of the top female performers (where performances are directly comparable). Ross Tucker (Saffer sports scientist, has a podcast called Real Science of Sport) is imo very persuasive on this. Afair he was more or less agnostic on this issue until fairly recently, but he cites recent studies which show that male gains in puberty across a wide variety of measures are not levelled out by testosterone suppression. So basically a biological male who has been through puberty will have a big advantage over your average female competitor in a whole host of ways which are relevant to rugby.</p><p></p><p>I agree that the problem might not be a big one in terms of numbers, but I think the principle is important as well. Women's sports are in general a protected category. Just as there would be a problem if, say, a small number of twenty-eight-year-old club hurlers could be somehow eligibile to play minor for Cork, there is a problem if someone from the non-protected group (in this case, men) can participate in the protected category.</p><p></p><p>Edit: here's a good discussion on Tucker's podcast <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/s3-e8-why-transgender-athletes-threaten-fairness-in/id1461719225?i=1000522515770" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/s3-e8-why-transgender-athletes-threaten-fairness-in/id1461719225?i=1000522515770</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Killyoursons, post: 7085147, member: 6790"] A fair bit of that sounds plausible, but given what I know (and I'm definitely not an expert), I'm inclined to think that trans women should not be allowed to play women's rugby. The relevant points aren't really to do with average size but with the average performance gains that males get by undergoing puberty. This seems to be the single biggest factor in explaining why, across a wide range of sports, the top male performers are routinely well ahead of the top female performers (where performances are directly comparable). Ross Tucker (Saffer sports scientist, has a podcast called Real Science of Sport) is imo very persuasive on this. Afair he was more or less agnostic on this issue until fairly recently, but he cites recent studies which show that male gains in puberty across a wide variety of measures are not levelled out by testosterone suppression. So basically a biological male who has been through puberty will have a big advantage over your average female competitor in a whole host of ways which are relevant to rugby. I agree that the problem might not be a big one in terms of numbers, but I think the principle is important as well. Women's sports are in general a protected category. Just as there would be a problem if, say, a small number of twenty-eight-year-old club hurlers could be somehow eligibile to play minor for Cork, there is a problem if someone from the non-protected group (in this case, men) can participate in the protected category. Edit: here's a good discussion on Tucker's podcast [URL]https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/s3-e8-why-transgender-athletes-threaten-fairness-in/id1461719225?i=1000522515770[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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