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Russia's unjustifiable war of aggression in Ukraine
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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Aaoouh" data-source="post: 7411994" data-attributes="member: 20518"><p>There is a Russian sort of logic about how to talk about the war that you seem to share. It goes (now that Russia has not succeeded in winning it) that the West castigates Russia as evil, but that having also done evil things, the Western position is irrational. It's a rather stupid argument, but its easy to see its old Cold War antecedents and how it probably originates from Putin et al, who can't seem to escape their old Soviet World view.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, you still seem to imply that America has some sort of "interest" in making Russia weaker by supporting (or as you put it, "instigating") a war between Russia and Ukraine. So let me help you here.</p><p></p><p>The West, NATO, the EU, and the US have no interest in invading Russia. None at all. If you think that any of these entities have any appetite for gearing up for aggressive conquest, you haven't been to Europe or the US in the last half century. The former EU countries that suffered under Soviet military occupation are, of course, worried about the Russians invading them in the future, just as they have invaded Ukraine, based on nonsensical historical claims. And THAT is why NATO and the US are supporting Ukraine right now.</p><p></p><p>People talking about the US as some sort of military boogie man here are ignoring the fact that it is not American military power that made it a superpower, but American economic power. Russia is in no way an economic threat to anyone and is in no danger of becoming a world economic power in the way that the US, the EU, Japan, China, etc are. Russia (and its bots here) like to claim that Russia is a major military power because it still has its old nukes and that this somehow translates in economic power, but this is simply not the case. Russia lost the Cold War, when the state capitalist system they had as the Soviet Union collapsed. And Putin has been unable to keep up with Europe and even the old non-European former Soviet Republics in terms of capitalist economic development. In other word, Russia has failed again. And THIS is why they have invaded Ukraine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dr. Aaoouh, post: 7411994, member: 20518"] There is a Russian sort of logic about how to talk about the war that you seem to share. It goes (now that Russia has not succeeded in winning it) that the West castigates Russia as evil, but that having also done evil things, the Western position is irrational. It's a rather stupid argument, but its easy to see its old Cold War antecedents and how it probably originates from Putin et al, who can't seem to escape their old Soviet World view. Anyway, you still seem to imply that America has some sort of "interest" in making Russia weaker by supporting (or as you put it, "instigating") a war between Russia and Ukraine. So let me help you here. The West, NATO, the EU, and the US have no interest in invading Russia. None at all. If you think that any of these entities have any appetite for gearing up for aggressive conquest, you haven't been to Europe or the US in the last half century. The former EU countries that suffered under Soviet military occupation are, of course, worried about the Russians invading them in the future, just as they have invaded Ukraine, based on nonsensical historical claims. And THAT is why NATO and the US are supporting Ukraine right now. People talking about the US as some sort of military boogie man here are ignoring the fact that it is not American military power that made it a superpower, but American economic power. Russia is in no way an economic threat to anyone and is in no danger of becoming a world economic power in the way that the US, the EU, Japan, China, etc are. Russia (and its bots here) like to claim that Russia is a major military power because it still has its old nukes and that this somehow translates in economic power, but this is simply not the case. Russia lost the Cold War, when the state capitalist system they had as the Soviet Union collapsed. And Putin has been unable to keep up with Europe and even the old non-European former Soviet Republics in terms of capitalist economic development. In other word, Russia has failed again. And THIS is why they have invaded Ukraine. [/QUOTE]
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