Referendum on Family & Care

[Blue Jasmin]

We need Green policies now more than ever, the Greens are the only party who are prepared to even contemplate taking difficult decisions for the greater good instead of based on what the electorate wants, nobody who believes that climate change is real should be wishing to see the Greens wiped out.

If you oppose climate actions then you are on the same side as the Healy Raes, Mattie McGraths of this world.

 

[CharlieManson]

We need Green policies now more than ever, the Greens are the only party who are prepared to even contemplate taking difficult decisions for the greater good instead of based on what the electorate wants, nobody who believes that climate change is real should be wishing to see the Greens wiped out.

If you oppose climate actions then you are on the same side as the Healy Raes, Mattie McGraths of this world.

How does removing the word 'woman' from the Constitution save the planet?


In your own time

 

[El Guapo]

Hes Dublin Bay South.


Im just having a hard time believing that the unelected and completely unrepresentative citizens assembly could have gotten it so wrong.

Its almost as if picking 100 people from 4 million, feeding them a load of NGO presentations then having a show of hands isn't a good way to formulate policy.
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Citizens Assembly recommended neutralising the language with the constitution..So in its simplest form replacing the word "mother" with "parent". The Dáil committee who took it on after the CA recommended something similar. and it could have easily been done.

It was The dept of Equality (Rodders) that came up with the durable relationship stuff and the wording on care about striving to ensure.

 

[Coach and Six]

Citizens Assembly recommended neutralising the language with the constitution..So in its simplest form replacing the word "mother" with "parent". The Dáil committee who took it on after the CA recommended something similar. and it could have easily been done.

It was The dept of Equality (Rodders) that came up with the durable relationship stuff and the wording on care about striving to ensure.

On point. The government couldn't help manipulating what the citizens assembly had decided and they wrecked any chance of them passing. I said it here weeks ago that double No was inevitable. All parties seem hopelessly out of touch on so many topics and theres fuck all urgency or innovation when it comes to the housing crisis.

They were absolutely cleaned out at the polls, obliterated. It's embarrassing for FFG and the Greens. It's shame about the Greens because there's an energy and climate crisis that they need buy in from the public on and OGormans arrogant behaviour here has consequences for this.

Also interesting how the poll on this thread wasn't far off the results!

 

[Crankycorner]

It's certainly given him an ego boost, finding holes in this referendum proposal was a piece of cake, he can go back to the law library now.

The Government got played. The far right were delighted with these referenda.

McDowell latched on to this and used it as a way of getting his face back on tv again. I highly doubt he convinced many to vote no. The Government just didn’t make any attempt at convincing people to vote yes. He’s unlikely to be as relevant again.

 

[Crusty Ring]

Well it went the way anyone with half a functioning brain knew it would.

My question is how could the parties who pushed so hard for this not read the temperature of the on the ground given the resources available to them?

It’s a real reflection on how far removed they are from the will of the country and raises serious questions about some many other important issues.

Who will be held accountable for this debacle?

 

[Crankycorner]

Well it went the way anyone with half a functioning brain knew it would.

My question is how could the parties who pushed so hard for this not read the temperature of the on the ground given the resources available to them?

It’s a real reflection on how far removed they are from the will of the country and raises serious questions about some many other important issues.

Who will be held accountable for this debacle?

Did they really push hard though? FF, FG and SF ran a mile from it.

They knew weeks ago this would be defeated.

 

[Crusty Ring]

The Government got played. The far right were delighted with these referenda.

McDowell latched on to this and used it as a way of getting his face back on tv again. I highly doubt he convinced many to vote no. The Government just didn’t make any attempt at convincing people to vote yes. He’s unlikely to be as relevant again.

Why do keep bringing the ‘far right’ into this debate? It has absolutely nothing to with them and they had zero impact on the outcome.

McDowell could see this was flawed from day one and took a strong position against it based on his experience as minister for justice plus decades in Irish politics. All he done was present facts in a coherent manner.

He was right which has been backed up by roughly 70% of the vote.

The man has done a great service for his country and he’s gone up in my estimation

 

[Crusty Ring]

Did they really push hard though? FF, FG and SF ran a mile from it.

They knew weeks ago this would be defeated.

So Leo the Taoiseach wasn’t outside a polling station yesterday pushing for a yes vote?

SF said if it doesn’t go through as a yes they will try run it again.

If you honestly think they’ve run a mile you haven’t been paying attention

 

[Crankycorner]

Why do keep bringing the ‘far right’ into this debate? It has absolutely nothing to with them and they had zero impact on the outcome.

McDowell could see this was flawed from day one and took a strong position against it based on his experience as minister for justice plus decades in Irish politics. All he done was present facts in a coherent manner.

He was right which has been backed up by roughly 70% of the vote.

The man has done a great service for his country and he’s gone up in my estimation

True, they didn’t but they’ll still use this as a win. McDowell even borrowed some of their fear mongering. These referenda had nothing to do with immigration but he introduced them into the debate.

There are many reasons people voted no in such large numbers but the history of referenda in this country points to one significant reason every time we vote no to something. Fail to properly educate the electorate on what they are voting on and the answer will always be no.